Ok, i may be naive to the point of stupidness here, but i hope and pray to God that we will be free from scripting on the VO platform. One of the reasons why i switched from PC to Mac was the fact that not only did we have to pay a horrible amount of money for screen readers and the like, but sometimes, we even had to pay a ridiculous sum of money just because we ourselves couldn't adapt the screen reader to work with our programs, because we needed to be programmers to do this. That left the field open for people who did scripts that sometimes worked and other times didn't but we had to pay them still. I do not want to see this on the Mac platform. Of course it would be nice to have programs work the way we wanted it, but i don't want to pay 1.5 times more for the same app as my sighted collegues use, period. /Krister
27 jul 2011 kl. 11:02 skrev Luca: > > Hi, > Some important things i cannot still do with vo are wordprocessing > (tables, items, titles, footnotes and so on), easy navigation in > number (se t title row, column row , auto reading info when you move > from cell to cell ecc). > There are also some very useful features in other screen reader still > not implemented: continuous reading with fast skipping of elements, > for example. > And what about scripting? ok activities are a step forward, but > still we are not there.. > > You wrote: > I would also ask, what does voiceover not do that you need it to do? I > would say it does most things the windows screen readers do, and in > some ways does > many of them better. On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Ricardo Walker > wrote: - Nascondi testo citato- Mostra testo citato -> Hi, > In > regards to the iWork stuff, > > On 24 Lug, 20:49, Chris Snyder <ch...@chris-snyder.com> wrote: >> Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow >> Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a >> March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 >> seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. >> Friendly, >> Chris >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. >>> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing >>> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully >>> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. >>> Good night, all! >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >>> Gilland >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >>> Importance: High >> >>> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >>> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >>> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >>> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >>> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. >>> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >>> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >>> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >>> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >>> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >>> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >>> me out for a second. >> >>> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >> >>> Just let me have this for a sec. >> >>> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >>> opinion standpoint, ok? >> >>> this way it's more fair. >> >>> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >> >>> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >>> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >>> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >>> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just >>> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: >> >>> 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, >>> or no. >> >>> 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been >>> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official >>> release? Yes or no>? >> >>> 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated >>> to some degree? >> >>> OK then. >> >>> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and >>> everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, >>> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the >>> nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a >>> delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more >>> progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state >>> right now. >> >>> do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think >>> that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all >>> don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it, >>> but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The >>> blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail >>> miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean I'm >>> saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I >>> say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and >>> more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to >>> take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on behind >>> the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really >>> can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working >>> behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just >>> chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to >>> constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it >>> justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow >>> exist? Yes! It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your spouce >>> who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL! ROFL! >> >>> You get the point. >> >>> So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me. I'm only >>> trying to help you all, and make suggestions. I may come on harsh at times, >>> I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can you >>> blame me? Are we not all at one point or another in life? Bluntly? Deal >>> with it, or don't read my mail! It's not rocket science! >> >>> OK, I'm not gonna keep ranting and raving about htis. I've said my peace and >>> hopefully've been heard. Enough is enough, in all respect fiarness to all >>> of you all. 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