This is a good thing, I get tired of people always suggesting one product, 
regardless of what else is available, I would put the capabilities of voiceover 
against any windows screen reader, it would at least tie them and in some 
cases, come out ahead.
On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:59 PM, David Tanner wrote:

> No, I just happen to be one of those terrible assistive technology specialist 
> that tells it the way he sees it and sometimes some of the big boys in the 
> assistive technology field don't necessarily like what I say, but they know 
> that I wouldn't say something is bad unless I have the facts to back up what 
> I say.
> 
> On the other hand, those that I work with would tell you that I don't play 
> favorites with one product or another.  And, I don't try to push a product 
> down people's throats that they don't want. Nor will I push a product on 
> someone unless I believe that it will truely meet their needs.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn Haas" <chaas0...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
> 
> 
> Hi David:
> Can you be bribed?
> 
> On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:24 PM, David Tanner wrote:
> 
>> I am certainly glad that I don't see nearly as many bugs in VoiceOver as you 
>> will find in the shark.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In regards to the iWork stuff, Its kinda unfair to pin that on the Lion OS 
>> in my opinion.  after all, There has not been a major update to iWorks since 
>> 2009.  Lets see what the next big release will mean for accessibility.  And 
>> in regards to the lack of new features, hmm, I don't know.  For example, How 
>> many new features exist in jaws 12 that weren't there in jaws 10?  I'm not 
>> sure how many new features one can really cram into a screen reader in 2 
>> years.  And as far as the bugs go, its not like Apple is going to delay 
>> Their new OS because of some Voiceover bugs.  Lets give it an update or 2 to 
>> see what happens?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Luca wrote:
>> 
>> I agree,  i was expecting a lot more from  vo in lion... look,  two
>> years have passed  since last release, and what have you  new? ok
>> activities, single navigation letter (which could have been made
>> better...), international voices (very buggy, cant deny it...), and
>> new drag and drop...
>> Well in two  years only these things is a little on my opinion..
>> Braille support is terrible, whe told them, wrote a lot of mail... and
>> nothing has changed.
>> Still You cannot do decent word processing with vo, no tables, no
>> footnnotes detection, no title/list  detection...
>> Ok some of these  things you can do wiith pages but in  an extremely
>> convoluted and non efficient way..
>> And what about numbers? you can use it in a very basic way only...
>> And i am not speaking of bugs, those i hope will be fixed.. but there
>> are  quite significant ones....
>> 
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