Ok, so VoiceOver has been around 4 or 5 years and has quite a good feature
set. No, they don't have everything some other screen readers for Windows
have. But, those have been around for 15 years or more, and just look at
how buggy and often times unstable they are and I want to ask why those
packages are still as unstable, and buggy as they are after 15 years or more
of "trying".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luca" <[email protected]>
To: "MacVisionaries" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
Hi,
Some important things i cannot still do with vo are wordprocessing
(tables, items, titles, footnotes and so on), easy navigation in
number (se t title row, column row , auto reading info when you move
from cell to cell ecc).
There are also some very useful features in other screen reader still
not implemented: continuous reading with fast skipping of elements,
for example.
And what about scripting? ok activities are a step forward, but
still we are not there..
You wrote:
I would also ask, what does voiceover not do that you need it to do? I
would say it does most things the windows screen readers do, and in
some ways does
many of them better. On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Ricardo Walker
wrote: - Nascondi testo citato- Mostra testo citato -> Hi, > In
regards to the iWork stuff,
On 24 Lug, 20:49, Chris Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow
Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using
a March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37
seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion.
Friendly,
Chris
On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote:
> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this
> message. Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing
> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later,
> (hopefully sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues.
> Good night, all!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
> Gilland
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
> Importance: High
> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd
> say,
> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I
> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only
> reason
> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I
> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these
> bugs.
> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it,
> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really
> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of
> myself,
> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot
> me, I
> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't
> mention,
> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once,
> hear
> me out for a second.
> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut
> up.
> Just let me have this for a sec.
> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's
> opinion standpoint, ok?
> this way it's more fair.
> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right?
> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab
> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll
> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed
> in
> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just
> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat:
> 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes,
> or no.
> 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably
> been
> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the
> official
> release? Yes or no>?
> 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and
> tollerated
> to some degree?
> OK then.
> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me
> and
> everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's
> frustration,
> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the
> nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a
> delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more
> progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird
> state
> right now.
> do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really
> think
> that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all
> don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing
> it,
> but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The
> blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to
> fail
> miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean
> I'm
> saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I
> say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and
> more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to
> take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on
> behind
> the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really
> can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working
> behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just
> chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to
> constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it
> justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow
> exist? Yes! It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your
> spouce
> who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL! ROFL!
> You get the point.
> So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me. I'm only
> trying to help you all, and make suggestions. I may come on harsh at
> times,
> I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can
> you
> blame me? Are we not all at one point or another in life? Bluntly? Deal
> with it, or don't read my mail! It's not rocket science!
> OK, I'm not gonna keep ranting and raving about htis. I've said my peace
> and
> hopefully've been heard. Enough is enough, in all respect fiarness to
> all
> of you all. I rest my case.
> Chris.
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