Hi, Some important things i cannot still do with vo are wordprocessing (tables, items, titles, footnotes and so on), easy navigation in number (se t title row, column row , auto reading info when you move from cell to cell ecc). There are also some very useful features in other screen reader still not implemented: continuous reading with fast skipping of elements, for example. And what about scripting? ok activities are a step forward, but still we are not there..
You wrote: I would also ask, what does voiceover not do that you need it to do? I would say it does most things the windows screen readers do, and in some ways does many of them better. On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: - Nascondi testo citato- Mostra testo citato -> Hi, > In regards to the iWork stuff, On 24 Lug, 20:49, Chris Snyder <ch...@chris-snyder.com> wrote: > Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow Leopard, > and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a March 2011 > Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 seconds to boot > up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. > Friendly, > Chris > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: > > > > > > > > > Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. > > Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing > > on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully > > sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. > > Good night, all! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark > > Gilland > > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues > > Importance: High > > > I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, > > they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I > > totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason > > I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I > > mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. > > come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, > > did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really > > I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, > > but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I > > know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, > > but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear > > me out for a second. > > > If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. > > > Just let me have this for a sec. > > > Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's > > opinion standpoint, ok? > > > this way it's more fair. > > > 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? > > > 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab > > dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll > > get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in > > a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just > > looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: > > > 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, > > or no. > > > 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been > > addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official > > release? Yes or no>? > > > 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated > > to some degree? > > > OK then. > > > I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and > > everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, > > we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the > > nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a > > delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more > > progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state > > right now. > > > do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think > > that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all > > don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it, > > but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The > > blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail > > miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean I'm > > saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I > > say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and > > more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to > > take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on behind > > the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really > > can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working > > behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just > > chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to > > constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it > > justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow > > exist? Yes! It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your spouce > > who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL! ROFL! > > > You get the point. > > > So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me. I'm only > > trying to help you all, and make suggestions. I may come on harsh at times, > > I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can you > > blame me? Are we not all at one point or another in life? Bluntly? Deal > > with it, or don't read my mail! It's not rocket science! > > > OK, I'm not gonna keep ranting and raving about htis. I've said my peace and > > hopefully've been heard. Enough is enough, in all respect fiarness to all > > of you all. 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