Which would all make web based chat and apps better than any Mac app currently is, especially if you can do neat things like have a live region with apps like Adium in the future if VO will support that, saving the need to rely on Growl. I think FB chat on the website may end up being the way to chat for many of us though.
Cheers Dave On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:48, Chris Blouch wrote: > I think I can fill in some gaps here. I haven't upgraded to Lion yet but I do > know about live regions on web pages. This is part of the w3c spec for ARIA > or Accessible Rich Internet Applications and has been supported on other > browser on other platforms for some time now. Generally it's used for areas > on the page which get updated and the web developer wants the screen reader > to announce the changes. The common example is a web-based chat where you > want it to read any incoming messages added to the chat log. Normally the > only way to notice changed content in a particular spot on a page is to move > focus away and back or set a hot spot manually. Live region attributes added > by the web developer tell the browser to pass changes to the assistive > technology to be announced. There are also some settings like only read the > changed text and whether to defer to any other stuff already being read. For > example, the chat log might be one big container with new items inserted at > the end. So when a new item is added we only want the new item read, not the > entire chat log. More on the w3c's spec site here: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/terms#def_liveregion > http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties#attrs_liveregions > > CB > > On 7/23/11 8:20 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> Hello. >> This whole discussion about live regions and the like starts to make me >> wonder a bit. What are live regions and what are they supposed to do for us? >> I know they are a part of the "area" or how it's spelled thing, but what are >> they doing and why would we want them. This doesn't apply only to VO but >> also to other screen readers on other platforms that support Area. If a live >> region updates a page such that the whole page changes and thus forces the >> cursor back to the beginning of a page after each update, do we really want >> those areas? What it all boils down to, i guess, is that in VOs case, there >> must be a reason for that Live areas check box to be there and checked and >> for why they can be unchecked. I would love to know that reason. >> /Krister >> >> 23 jul 2011 kl. 05:28 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland: >> >>> It's OK Quinn, don't worry about it. As you said, we all make mistakes. >>> As far as I see it, your apologise greatly is accepted. I wonder if this >>> would solve the issue with my item chooser list. >>> >>> Now you got me curious! >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quinn Haberl"<quinnhaber...@gmail.com> >>> To: "MacVisionaries"<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >>> >>> >>> Thought I would updatethis quickly. I figured out why safari was >>> being Soleil D and why I was having so many problems with voice over >>> in Safari. Why was sitting on my computer I was thinking maybe I >>> should check the voice over Control Panel thing. I did so and is the >>> web category in the voice over control panel at the very bottom of the >>> settings page there is a checkbox that in lion comes checked. This >>> check boxes called live regions. In a nutshell what it does is it >>> updates parts of the website that are continually updated for example >>> ad banners and things like that. I uncheck the checkbox and now >>> everything seems to be working fine. So unless you really know what >>> that checkbox does on CheckIt and life will be made much easier at >>> least it was for me. I didn't mean to be so critical of apple in my >>> last post. As a matter of fact being a recent Windows convert I have >>> found that Apple accessibility is amazing. And yes I do agree that we >>> do need to show some patients on our part. Everyone makes mistakes >>> it's just hard to deal with those mistakes when voice over and the >>> other Mac accessibility features are the only way in which you have >>> access to all your information. I don't mean this to directly >>> criticize anyone on this blog. I have found the Mac blog very helpful >>> in solving and answering questions. The criticism is more geared >>> toward myself as self-criticism. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 22, 9:50 pm, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"<clgillan...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >>>> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >>>> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >>>> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >>>> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these >>>> bugs. >>>> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >>>> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >>>> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >>>> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >>>> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >>>> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >>>> me out for a second. >>>> >>>> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >>>> >>>> Just let me have this for a sec. >>>> >>>> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >>>> opinion standpoint, ok? >>>> >>>> this way it's more fair. >>>> >>>> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >>>> >>>> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >>>> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >>>> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >>>> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just >>>> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: >>>> >>>> 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, >>>> or no. >>>> >>>> 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been >>>> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official >>>> release? Yes or no>? >>>> >>>> 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated >>>> to some degree? >>>> >>>> OK then. >>>> >>>> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and >>>> everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, >>>> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the >>>> nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a >>>> delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more >>>> progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state >>>> right now. >>>> >>>> do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think >>>> that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all >>>> don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing >>>> it, >>>> but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The >>>> blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail >>>> miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean I'm >>>> saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I >>>> say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and >>>> more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to >>>> take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on behind >>>> the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really >>>> can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working >>>> behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just >>>> chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to >>>> constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it >>>> justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow >>>> exist? Yes! It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your spouce >>>> who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL! ROFL! >>>> >>>> You get the point. >>>> >>>> So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me. I'm only >>>> trying to help you all, and make suggestions. I may come on harsh at times, >>>> I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can you >>>> blame me? Are we not all at one point or another in life? Bluntly? Deal >>>> with it, or don't read my mail! It's not rocket science! >>>> >>>> OK, I'm not gonna keep ranting and raving about htis. I've said my peace >>>> and >>>> hopefully've been heard. Enough is enough, in all respect fiarness to all >>>> of you all. 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