Hi, Actually, the boot time isn't any longer than it was in SL, it's just that VoiceOver doesn't always tell you when things are happening, due to that apple.com whatever thinggie. I had a sighted person test the boot times for both OSes, as well as completely blowing away my current Lion install and installing clean. The boot time for a clean install is exactly the same. As far as the trackpad commander gesture, you have to make sure you're rotating your fingers exactly clockwise to turn it on and counter-clockwise to turn it off. VO will always tell you the status of the commander.
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:02 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Wow, what's up with Lion! Hi! I completely agree with your observations regarding VO at startup. The boot time is at least 10 seconds longer now, and VO has yet to say its welcome message. Furthermore, that "com.apple.dock.extras" thing is already driving me bananas! I might be brave and attempt a clean install once a podcast is posted to give detailed instructions, but like you, I wonder if it would make any difference. I don't have any of the issues you're describing with mail, and haven't tried to play with saphari yet, but this start-up stuff really needs to get figured out. I've also discovered that VO doesn't tell me whether or not trackpad commander is on. I don't use it much, but like to practice from time to time, and either I'm not doing the jesture right to enable it, or something else is going on, but VO never really says one way or the other what its status is. As I posted earlier, I'm not necessarily saying I regret updating right away, but there is that little part of my brain that's yelling "I told you you should have waited." LOL! Anyway, it's a learning adventure, that's for sure! -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:37 PM To: macvisionaries Subject: Wow, what's up with Lion! OK, here are just a few of my impressions. Most of them come from the way I use Mac, so a lot of them are personalized and most habitual. So I am sure there is room for improvements in both Lion and my habits. First, has anyone noticed that VoiceOver no longer speaks the welcome message? Ever? After installing Lion, I have yet to hear VoiceOver speak the welcome message once. And this is after restarting, or turning off then on the Mac at least a dozen times. I know this because half the time, after logging in, VoiceOver is dead silent, it doesn't say anything. The other h50 percent of the time, it says "com.apple.dock.extras". So what is "com.apple.dock.extras"? Why can't the focus go to the desktop like Snow Leopard used to? OK, so we can press VO-Shift-D, or command-Tab to go to the desktop. But why do that when Snow Leopard used to put you right there after logging in? This seems like such a weird behavior. My second observation is that the entire system seems to run a little slower than it used to. I don't know if this is because I updated Snow Leopard to Lion. Will my system run more smoothly if I installed Lion from a clean install? This is not Windows, this is Mac. Does it really make that much of a difference? If so, why would Apple make us update instead of providing a dvd for clean installs? If I were a betting man, I'd bet that even on a clean install, my system would run more or less about the same. The other major issue is Mail. For example, Mail has turned into a waiting game instead of the snappy fast response it used to be. Now when I press up or down arrow keys to scroll through the message list, every few times, Mail would say "Mail busy" and take about 2 seconds before reading me the email message. This has never happened in Snow Leopard. The other issue I have is the download window in Safari. In Snow Leopard, it used to be that when you click on a link to download something, a second window pops up and you can immediately see what you are downloading. Now with Lion, you have to move from the html content, move to the toolbar, interact with it, find the download button, click it, then you can see the downoad progress. This may be better for a visual user. But for a VoiceOver user, it has gone from a window that pops up automatically, to forcing the user to navigate to find out the info. I'm starting to see a trend that things may be accessible, but not necessarily user friendly. Apple may be good at making sure things are accessible with VoiceOver, but not necessarily user friendly. -- Shen goalb...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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