I have enjoyed this thread as well, though I guess it treads the thin ice for topic creep. Makes things more exciting that way. :) Teresa On Jan 21, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Hi Scott and all, > > I must say, I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 > Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 > > > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > >> Hello Ricardo and everyone else who has posted to this thread, >> I would have to agree that everyone has a bit of truth in what is >> being posted. We certainly can make many more mods to the equipment than we >> are led to believe. That is fine though, because you all are correct many >> folks just do not care, however there more people than you might think who >> want to be able to make them. Maybe the android folks are those people, I >> do not know. I will also agree that it is very nice to pick the device up >> and just have it work as advertised. I have gone through so much technology >> that never lives up to what is advertised. I really like my iphone and >> would never dream of cracking it open. In any case this is about as far as >> I can carry this conversation. Have a wonderful night.. >> Sincerely, >> Scott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:57 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >> hardware they paid for. >> >> I guess we will just agree to disagree here. :). I don't think its >> mysticism. I think people just don't care. Because of the obsolescence you >> pointed out that is built into devices. Why spend time fixing something >> that will be outdated anyway? That pretty much sums up the computer age. I >> think time also plays into this equation. 50 years ago, people had much >> more time to tinker. Or at least, they're were less options of things to >> do. People work longer hours now than 50 years ago, and hence some can't or >> won't sacrifice the time to learn how to take something as complex as a >> smart phone apart, and fix it. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >> >> >> >> On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: >> >>> Hello Ricardo, >>> I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that >>> things "broke down more frequently, back then." Today we have engineered >>> obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a >> laundry >>> list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old >>> refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an >>> old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were >>> accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not >>> intentionally bestowed on things. >>> Sincerely, >>> Scott >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >>> hardware they paid for. >>> >>> Ok. >>> >>> You would fall into that very small minority group in which such >> information >>> is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the >>> adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. >>> And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact >> still >>> remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. >>> Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to >>> dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed >>> argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell >> of >>> a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect >> a >>> higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we >> have >>> gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch >>> moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a >> lot >>> more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to >>>> respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the >>> topic >>>> is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how >> readily >>>> folks on this list are willing to just bow to the "omnipotent Corporation >>>> looking out for our well being." I feel that Apple is only protecting >> its >>>> bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the >>> Sears >>>> catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues >>> whit >>>> products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover >>>> covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and >>>> hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love >>> our >>>> traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a >>> product >>>> designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something >>> completely >>>> beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a >>>> market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I >>>> know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the >>>> people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the >>>> consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy >>>> equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one >>>> outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent >>>> electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of >>>> their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that >>>> spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that >> folks >>>> with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing >> short >>>> of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have >>>> computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. >> This >>>> action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who >>> happened >>>> to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying >> have >>>> no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. >>> Our >>>> customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. >>>> Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become >>>> dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company >> had >>>> just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four >>> minutes >>>> and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think >> that >>>> Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the >>>> time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it >>>> certainly is. >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >>>> hardware they paid for. >>>> >>>> Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >> >>>> hardware they paid for. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lol, >>>> >>>> I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone >>>> owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about >> >>>>> in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, >> which >>> >>>>> means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why >> they >>> >>>>> don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out >> of >>> >>>>> warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if >> you >>> >>>>> break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back >> together. >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep >>>>>> consumers out? read more: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://bit.ly/gpoTpd >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>>> >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >>> >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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