I guess we will just agree to disagree here. :). I don't think its mysticism. I think people just don't care. Because of the obsolescence you pointed out that is built into devices. Why spend time fixing something that will be outdated anyway? That pretty much sums up the computer age. I think time also plays into this equation. 50 years ago, people had much more time to tinker. Or at least, they're were less options of things to do. People work longer hours now than 50 years ago, and hence some can't or won't sacrifice the time to learn how to take something as complex as a smart phone apart, and fix it.
Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: > Hello Ricardo, > I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that > things "broke down more frequently, back then." Today we have engineered > obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a laundry > list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old > refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an > old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were > accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not > intentionally bestowed on things. > Sincerely, > Scott > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the > hardware they paid for. > > Ok. > > You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information > is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the > adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. > And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still > remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. > Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to > dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed > argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of > a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a > higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have > gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch > moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot > more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 > Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 > > > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to >> respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the > topic >> is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily >> folks on this list are willing to just bow to the "omnipotent Corporation >> looking out for our well being." I feel that Apple is only protecting its >> bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the > Sears >> catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues > whit >> products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover >> covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and >> hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love > our >> traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a > product >> designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something > completely >> beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a >> market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I >> know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the >> people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the >> consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy >> equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one >> outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent >> electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of >> their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that >> spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks >> with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short >> of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have >> computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This >> action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who > happened >> to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have >> no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. > Our >> customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. >> Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become >> dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had >> just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four > minutes >> and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that >> Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the >> time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it >> certainly is. >> Sincerely, >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >> hardware they paid for. >> >> Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >> hardware they paid for. >> >> >> Lol, >> >> I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone >> owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >> >> >> >> On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about >>> in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which > >>> means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they > >>> don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of > >>> warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you > >>> break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep >>>> consumers out? read more: >>>> >>>> http://bit.ly/gpoTpd >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >> >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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