Hi Scott and all, I must say, I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread.
Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > Hello Ricardo and everyone else who has posted to this thread, > I would have to agree that everyone has a bit of truth in what is > being posted. We certainly can make many more mods to the equipment than we > are led to believe. That is fine though, because you all are correct many > folks just do not care, however there more people than you might think who > want to be able to make them. Maybe the android folks are those people, I > do not know. I will also agree that it is very nice to pick the device up > and just have it work as advertised. I have gone through so much technology > that never lives up to what is advertised. I really like my iphone and > would never dream of cracking it open. In any case this is about as far as > I can carry this conversation. Have a wonderful night.. > Sincerely, > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:57 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the > hardware they paid for. > > I guess we will just agree to disagree here. :). I don't think its > mysticism. I think people just don't care. Because of the obsolescence you > pointed out that is built into devices. Why spend time fixing something > that will be outdated anyway? That pretty much sums up the computer age. I > think time also plays into this equation. 50 years ago, people had much > more time to tinker. Or at least, they're were less options of things to > do. People work longer hours now than 50 years ago, and hence some can't or > won't sacrifice the time to learn how to take something as complex as a > smart phone apart, and fix it. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 > Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 > > > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: > >> Hello Ricardo, >> I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that >> things "broke down more frequently, back then." Today we have engineered >> obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a > laundry >> list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old >> refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an >> old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were >> accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not >> intentionally bestowed on things. >> Sincerely, >> Scott >> Scott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >> hardware they paid for. >> >> Ok. >> >> You would fall into that very small minority group in which such > information >> is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the >> adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. >> And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact > still >> remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. >> Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to >> dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed >> argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell > of >> a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect > a >> higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we > have >> gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch >> moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a > lot >> more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >> >> >> >> On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: >> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to >>> respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the >> topic >>> is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how > readily >>> folks on this list are willing to just bow to the "omnipotent Corporation >>> looking out for our well being." I feel that Apple is only protecting > its >>> bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the >> Sears >>> catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues >> whit >>> products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover >>> covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and >>> hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love >> our >>> traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a >> product >>> designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something >> completely >>> beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a >>> market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I >>> know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the >>> people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the >>> consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy >>> equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one >>> outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent >>> electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of >>> their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that >>> spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that > folks >>> with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing > short >>> of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have >>> computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. > This >>> action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who >> happened >>> to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying > have >>> no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. >> Our >>> customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. >>> Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become >>> dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company > had >>> just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four >> minutes >>> and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think > that >>> Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the >>> time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it >>> certainly is. >>> Sincerely, >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the >>> hardware they paid for. >>> >>> Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM >>> Subject: Re: Apple "screwing" iPhone users to block them from opening the > >>> hardware they paid for. >>> >>> >>> Lol, >>> >>> I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone >>> owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about > >>>> in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, > which >> >>>> means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why > they >> >>>> don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out > of >> >>>> warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if > you >> >>>> break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back > together. >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep >>>>> consumers out? read more: >>>>> >>>>> http://bit.ly/gpoTpd >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >>> >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >> >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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