Hi list,

        I am certainly in the minority here.  I love quick nav  and find it 
helps me move around quickly.  I have found I can use VO keys without turning 
quick nav off to increase functionality.  I tend to use many VO features for 
example I use track pad gestures, keyboard defined commands with the right 
option key, quick nav  and standard VO commands.  They all help in different 
ways.  It is great to have so many options.  My only frustration is that the VO 
keys are two keys in a tricky location.  I'd love to be able to assign the caps 
lock key to be the VO keys! 

I'd love to see more tips on using quick nav. 

eric Caron 
  
On Aug 23, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I don't use QN hardly if at all. I don't rally find it quick at all but very 
> combersum on my finders. lol!
> 
> S
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Erik:
>> Actually you've gotten better luck with quick-nav than I have.  I only tend 
>> to use it when my arrows won't accomplish something in a message.  I really 
>> wish I understood it's full effect on the behavior of arrows and cursors. 
>> Anyway, thanks for putting this out.  It'll be helpful.
>>  
>> Carolyn Haas
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: erik burggraaf
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:55 AM
>> Subject: getting the most out of quicknav?
>> 
>> Hi,  I'm forcing myself to use quicknav today, just because.  So, I've done 
>> some googling and some reading and some playing, but I sense that I'm not 
>> getting the most out of quicknav, because to be honest, it's somewhat more 
>> convenient, but I'm not as blown away by the simplicity as I thought I would 
>> be.
>> 
>> So far, I've got left+right turn qn on or off.
>> down+right interact.
>> left+down stop interacting.
>> left+up and up+right, move around the router.
>> up+down perform the default action on an item in the voiceover curser.
>> Arrow keys on their own are used to navigate in the desired direction.
>> 
>> Now, I'm thinking there must be more to this.  For one thing, I'm finding it 
>> counter-intuitive because I generally don't interact with things.
>> 
>> For example, I would normally arrow up and down the messages table in mail 
>> or the mailboxes table without interacting.  This will read me the entire 
>> row of information and I usually find that to be what I want to happen.  If 
>> I sit on the messages table with qn and press the down arrow, of course it 
>> takes me to the scroll bars and things, and in order to read the messages 
>> table, I have to either interact with it, or turn qn off.
>> 
>> There are ways I can get around this in some tables, for example, if I know 
>> what I want I can press the first letter or first few letters.  That will 
>> work some of the time, but in the messages table of mail, I want to scan 
>> them all, not usually specific ones, so it falls over.
>> 
>> So, how do people get along with this all the time?  or are we all sitting 
>> here turning qn on and off all the time depending on the situation?  Am I 
>> missing any qn features?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
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