Hi Cara, I couldn't agree with you more if i tried. A friendly dialog is what takes the matter forward. I don't know if it has to do with where one grows up and possibly how, but i actually see what apple has done to us as a privilege rather than a "right". I also know that accessibility although high up on Apples list hasn't the highest priority given the market so it will go first if things go bad, so let's try to make them realize that their efforts are very much appreciated rather than yelling and bashing, ok? /Krister
7 maj 2010 kl. 01.41 skrev Cara Quinn: > To be fair here, I'm not trying to help rouse the troops as it were. I > completely agree with you, but I'd really encourage people to simply voice > these concerns in a polite and amicable way, rather than complaining. > > I say this, as (no offense to anyone in particular) in my opinion, the blind > community just tends to over-react, and get ridiculously up-in-arms over > everything much of the time, and rather than making this out to be a > situation where Apple is somehow the bad guys, forcing us to pay for apps, or > binding and preventing us from having a say as to an app's accessibility, I'd > simply propose that this is merely a case of the majority of the market being > sighted, and not enough of us voicing these concerns on a regular basis. > > So rather than a bunch of us flagrantly flying off the handle to the people > at accessibil...@apple.com, I'd personally just rather see people carrying on > an adult dialogue which can be constructive. Quite simply, the more of us > that say something, the more of us that will be heard. Do we want to be heard > as over-emotional unstable complainers, or as rational friendly adults trying > to bring about positive changes?… > > I know you know what I mean, so I won't dwell on semantics. Thanks all for > reading, and again, let's make our voices heard in the best way possible, K?… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On May 6, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > > Absolutely. > > Anyone on the list with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, please write to > complain. It isn't write for Apple to not give us info about an app's > accessibility, give us no way to evaluate that accessibility for ourselves, > force us to buy the app in order to find out, and then deny us a refund if it > isn't accessible. We should either be given a way to know how accessible an > app is in advance, or be given the option of a refund if we find that an app > isn't accessible after purchasing it. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:29 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds > > > Hi Bryan; > > I for one, agree with you whole-heartedly. I've actually been in touch with > Apple about this in the past, and my contacts also felt it would be a good > idea, however, as yet nothing has seemingly happened with it. > > I'd encourage you and anyone else interested to email accessibil...@apple.com > with these concerns / suggestions. > > I know this sounds like a blow-off, but it really isn't! lol! I think more of > us just need to be nicely and politely making these points heard, that's all, > and that email addie is the best way I know, to do it. <smile> > > Anyway, I'd surely like this situation to improve as well. Thanks so much for > posting!!!... > > SMiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On May 6, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > > Hi. > > There are so many apps available. As we know, some are completely accessible, > some are accessible with some workarounds, and some not at all. > > With free apps, this isn't a problem. You install them, check them out, and, > if they aren't accessible, you can just delete them. > > With paid apps, though, the situation is different. There are some > accessibility reviews of some apps, but only a fraction of what's available. > Since hardly any of the apps offer demos, we must buy the app, and risk that > the purchase will be wasted on an app that we can't even use. When the app > only costs $0.99, like some iPhone apps, that isn't so bad, but iPad apps can > cost $5, $10, and even more in some cases. > > I think that Apple should take some small steps to accommodate us. Not only > is it a sorry situation when one of us purchases an app that we discover to > be inaccessible, but, for some people, having a few such experiences will > trim back on their willingness to push that buy button in the future. > Pressing the buy button should not feel like a roll of the dice. > > I suggest: > > 1. The App Store should provide some way for people to rate the accessibility > of an app. A 5 star system, similar to how apps are rated in general might be > nice. > > 2. There should be some way that customers can optionally restrict the App > Store to showing only accessible applications. If people would like to > explore new apps, that's fine, but, if they just want to look at what is > known to be accessible, they should have that option. > > 3. Customers should be able to receive refunds for apps that they can't use. > Since the app store provides no indication of how accessible a program is, > and there is usually no way to try the program first, we should be able to > get a refund if we can't use our purchase. > > What do you all think? What can be done? I've purchased a few apps that are > completely inaccessible. For example, I purchased Korg Electribe, a beat > making program, for $10. 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