Hi, That is why I suggested a rating system with categories. For example, labeled buttons would be one of the criteria for the rating system. Let the users define accessibility by essentially voting on a few general components that make up over all accessibility for an iPhone app. On May 6, 2010, at 11:06 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
> I see a problem with this philosophy. Different people view accessibility in > different ways. For instance, some people would not consider the workout > application posted to this list accessible because of a few unlabeled > buttons. Others would be fine with it. Similarly, I have a few games on the > IPod, where the introductory screens work with voiceover, and then you turn > it off to play the actual game. Action bowling comes to mind. > What is apple to do? How should they define accessibility? Do they give all > who complain refunds, even though some complaints are more genuine and > reasonable than others? Do they say that, if a certain number of buttons > aren't labeled, the app is inaccessible? Do they say that, if you cannot play > a game with voiceover on, then all blind people should get their money back? > I know that it sucks to pay for apps which are unusable by and large. But > this accessibility criteria for refunds on apps is going to cause a lot of > problems. And, more importantly, I worry that if we have people constantly > holding apple to different standards of "accessibility", it might sideline > any further efforts they put into improving the platform for blind users. > Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. > > John > > On May 6, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> Absolutely. >> >> Anyone on the list with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, please write to >> complain. It isn't write for Apple to not give us info about an app's >> accessibility, give us no way to evaluate that accessibility for ourselves, >> force us to buy the app in order to find out, and then deny us a refund if >> it isn't accessible. We should either be given a way to know how accessible >> an app is in advance, or be given the option of a refund if we find that an >> app isn't accessible after purchasing it. >> >> Bryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn >> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:29 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds >> >> >> Hi Bryan; >> >> I for one, agree with you whole-heartedly. I've actually been in touch with >> Apple about this in the past, and my contacts also felt it would be a good >> idea, however, as yet nothing has seemingly happened with it. >> >> I'd encourage you and anyone else interested to email >> accessibil...@apple.com with these concerns / suggestions. >> >> I know this sounds like a blow-off, but it really isn't! lol! I think more >> of us just need to be nicely and politely making these points heard, that's >> all, and that email addie is the best way I know, to do it. <smile> >> >> Anyway, I'd surely like this situation to improve as well. Thanks so much >> for posting!!!... >> >> SMiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> There are so many apps available. As we know, some are completely >> accessible, some are accessible with some workarounds, and some not at all. >> >> With free apps, this isn't a problem. You install them, check them out, and, >> if they aren't accessible, you can just delete them. >> >> With paid apps, though, the situation is different. There are some >> accessibility reviews of some apps, but only a fraction of what's available. >> Since hardly any of the apps offer demos, we must buy the app, and risk that >> the purchase will be wasted on an app that we can't even use. When the app >> only costs $0.99, like some iPhone apps, that isn't so bad, but iPad apps >> can cost $5, $10, and even more in some cases. >> >> I think that Apple should take some small steps to accommodate us. Not only >> is it a sorry situation when one of us purchases an app that we discover to >> be inaccessible, but, for some people, having a few such experiences will >> trim back on their willingness to push that buy button in the future. >> Pressing the buy button should not feel like a roll of the dice. >> >> I suggest: >> >> 1. The App Store should provide some way for people to rate the >> accessibility of an app. A 5 star system, similar to how apps are rated in >> general might be nice. >> >> 2. There should be some way that customers can optionally restrict the App >> Store to showing only accessible applications. If people would like to >> explore new apps, that's fine, but, if they just want to look at what is >> known to be accessible, they should have that option. >> >> 3. Customers should be able to receive refunds for apps that they can't use. >> Since the app store provides no indication of how accessible a program is, >> and there is usually no way to try the program first, we should be able to >> get a refund if we can't use our purchase. >> >> What do you all think? What can be done? I've purchased a few apps that are >> completely inaccessible. For example, I purchased Korg Electribe, a beat >> making program, for $10. 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