Going by the model Apple has devised, I assume the accessibility of an app falls on the shoulders of the developers. On May 6, 2010, at 11:26 PM, olivia norman wrote:
> Also, I wonder who's responsibility it is to intigrate access into apps? Is > it Apple's? The developers? > John also makes great observations about defining accessibility and what > apple should do regarding this! > Olivia > On May 6, 2010, at 11:06 PM, John J Herzog wrote: > >> I see a problem with this philosophy. Different people view accessibility in >> different ways. For instance, some people would not consider the workout >> application posted to this list accessible because of a few unlabeled >> buttons. Others would be fine with it. Similarly, I have a few games on the >> IPod, where the introductory screens work with voiceover, and then you turn >> it off to play the actual game. Action bowling comes to mind. >> What is apple to do? How should they define accessibility? Do they give all >> who complain refunds, even though some complaints are more genuine and >> reasonable than others? Do they say that, if a certain number of buttons >> aren't labeled, the app is inaccessible? Do they say that, if you cannot >> play a game with voiceover on, then all blind people should get their money >> back? >> I know that it sucks to pay for apps which are unusable by and large. But >> this accessibility criteria for refunds on apps is going to cause a lot of >> problems. And, more importantly, I worry that if we have people constantly >> holding apple to different standards of "accessibility", it might sideline >> any further efforts they put into improving the platform for blind users. >> Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. >> >> John >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> Absolutely. >>> >>> Anyone on the list with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, please write to >>> complain. It isn't write for Apple to not give us info about an app's >>> accessibility, give us no way to evaluate that accessibility for ourselves, >>> force us to buy the app in order to find out, and then deny us a refund if >>> it isn't accessible. We should either be given a way to know how accessible >>> an app is in advance, or be given the option of a refund if we find that an >>> app isn't accessible after purchasing it. >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn >>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:29 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds >>> >>> >>> Hi Bryan; >>> >>> I for one, agree with you whole-heartedly. I've actually been in touch with >>> Apple about this in the past, and my contacts also felt it would be a good >>> idea, however, as yet nothing has seemingly happened with it. >>> >>> I'd encourage you and anyone else interested to email >>> accessibil...@apple.com with these concerns / suggestions. >>> >>> I know this sounds like a blow-off, but it really isn't! lol! I think more >>> of us just need to be nicely and politely making these points heard, that's >>> all, and that email addie is the best way I know, to do it. <smile> >>> >>> Anyway, I'd surely like this situation to improve as well. Thanks so much >>> for posting!!!... >>> >>> SMiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> --- >>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>> >>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >>> >>> Follow me on Twitter! >>> >>> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >>> >>> On May 6, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> There are so many apps available. As we know, some are completely >>> accessible, some are accessible with some workarounds, and some not at all. >>> >>> With free apps, this isn't a problem. You install them, check them out, >>> and, if they aren't accessible, you can just delete them. >>> >>> With paid apps, though, the situation is different. There are some >>> accessibility reviews of some apps, but only a fraction of what's >>> available. Since hardly any of the apps offer demos, we must buy the app, >>> and risk that the purchase will be wasted on an app that we can't even use. >>> When the app only costs $0.99, like some iPhone apps, that isn't so bad, >>> but iPad apps can cost $5, $10, and even more in some cases. >>> >>> I think that Apple should take some small steps to accommodate us. Not only >>> is it a sorry situation when one of us purchases an app that we discover to >>> be inaccessible, but, for some people, having a few such experiences will >>> trim back on their willingness to push that buy button in the future. >>> Pressing the buy button should not feel like a roll of the dice. >>> >>> I suggest: >>> >>> 1. The App Store should provide some way for people to rate the >>> accessibility of an app. A 5 star system, similar to how apps are rated in >>> general might be nice. >>> >>> 2. There should be some way that customers can optionally restrict the App >>> Store to showing only accessible applications. If people would like to >>> explore new apps, that's fine, but, if they just want to look at what is >>> known to be accessible, they should have that option. >>> >>> 3. Customers should be able to receive refunds for apps that they can't >>> use. Since the app store provides no indication of how accessible a program >>> is, and there is usually no way to try the program first, we should be able >>> to get a refund if we can't use our purchase. >>> >>> What do you all think? What can be done? I've purchased a few apps that are >>> completely inaccessible. For example, I purchased Korg Electribe, a beat >>> making program, for $10. Can't use it at all. >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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