I just wanted to second what Cara says here and agree. This is also a problem I have with some, not all, in the blindness community, and Cara's thoughts are right on track! :) Olivia On May 6, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
> To be fair here, I'm not trying to help rouse the troops as it were. I > completely agree with you, but I'd really encourage people to simply voice > these concerns in a polite and amicable way, rather than complaining. > > I say this, as (no offense to anyone in particular) in my opinion, the blind > community just tends to over-react, and get ridiculously up-in-arms over > everything much of the time, and rather than making this out to be a > situation where Apple is somehow the bad guys, forcing us to pay for apps, or > binding and preventing us from having a say as to an app's accessibility, I'd > simply propose that this is merely a case of the majority of the market being > sighted, and not enough of us voicing these concerns on a regular basis. > > So rather than a bunch of us flagrantly flying off the handle to the people > at accessibil...@apple.com, I'd personally just rather see people carrying on > an adult dialogue which can be constructive. Quite simply, the more of us > that say something, the more of us that will be heard. Do we want to be heard > as over-emotional unstable complainers, or as rational friendly adults trying > to bring about positive changes?… > > I know you know what I mean, so I won't dwell on semantics. Thanks all for > reading, and again, let's make our voices heard in the best way possible, K?… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On May 6, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > > Absolutely. > > Anyone on the list with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, please write to > complain. It isn't write for Apple to not give us info about an app's > accessibility, give us no way to evaluate that accessibility for ourselves, > force us to buy the app in order to find out, and then deny us a refund if it > isn't accessible. We should either be given a way to know how accessible an > app is in advance, or be given the option of a refund if we find that an app > isn't accessible after purchasing it. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:29 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds > > > Hi Bryan; > > I for one, agree with you whole-heartedly. I've actually been in touch with > Apple about this in the past, and my contacts also felt it would be a good > idea, however, as yet nothing has seemingly happened with it. > > I'd encourage you and anyone else interested to email accessibil...@apple.com > with these concerns / suggestions. > > I know this sounds like a blow-off, but it really isn't! lol! I think more of > us just need to be nicely and politely making these points heard, that's all, > and that email addie is the best way I know, to do it. <smile> > > Anyway, I'd surely like this situation to improve as well. Thanks so much for > posting!!!... > > SMiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On May 6, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > > Hi. > > There are so many apps available. As we know, some are completely accessible, > some are accessible with some workarounds, and some not at all. > > With free apps, this isn't a problem. You install them, check them out, and, > if they aren't accessible, you can just delete them. > > With paid apps, though, the situation is different. There are some > accessibility reviews of some apps, but only a fraction of what's available. > Since hardly any of the apps offer demos, we must buy the app, and risk that > the purchase will be wasted on an app that we can't even use. When the app > only costs $0.99, like some iPhone apps, that isn't so bad, but iPad apps can > cost $5, $10, and even more in some cases. > > I think that Apple should take some small steps to accommodate us. Not only > is it a sorry situation when one of us purchases an app that we discover to > be inaccessible, but, for some people, having a few such experiences will > trim back on their willingness to push that buy button in the future. > Pressing the buy button should not feel like a roll of the dice. > > I suggest: > > 1. The App Store should provide some way for people to rate the accessibility > of an app. A 5 star system, similar to how apps are rated in general might be > nice. > > 2. There should be some way that customers can optionally restrict the App > Store to showing only accessible applications. If people would like to > explore new apps, that's fine, but, if they just want to look at what is > known to be accessible, they should have that option. > > 3. Customers should be able to receive refunds for apps that they can't use. > Since the app store provides no indication of how accessible a program is, > and there is usually no way to try the program first, we should be able to > get a refund if we can't use our purchase. > > What do you all think? What can be done? I've purchased a few apps that are > completely inaccessible. For example, I purchased Korg Electribe, a beat > making program, for $10. Can't use it at all. > > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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