Very true. It really depends on a number of secondary issues that can result in either minimal difficulty right up to complete unusability.
On my OS X Catalina system here, I cannot use safari at all with amazon’s website. They have a web dialogu that completely steals focus, won’t allow it to be bypassed and only gives you two working links, until you click on them, then the browser crashes hard. I have much better luck with chrome. Now, on the iOS app on my iPhone Se3, they changed a lot of the layout so that I have to actually scroll below the usual footer items in order to see the items I searched for or are in the process of purchasing. Some parts of the app don’t work very well, while others work nicely (and yes, I turned off screen recognition because it caused amazon to crash right out of active memory). Also, as I don’t have an android device or even a windows laptop, I have no way to tell how bad the problem is with accessibility on any other platform. Btw, I am seriously going to dig up the snail mail address for amazon and send a strongly worded demand letter to their legal dept stating that they are required under various federal laws (in specific, the ADA of 1990 section 508 as well as the 1973 rehabilitation act) as they are a public entered virtual shopping mall (and as recent SCOTUS cases show, even an online vendor can be treated exactly the same as a brick and mortar version. -Eric > On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:47 PM, Michael Irons <theleo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just want to say because one person is able to work with the Amazon app and > make it work. Doesn’t mean that everyone else can. Those apps are always > tricky and most of us either get lost in what we’re doing or we can > accomplish what we need to accomplish. To give you another example of another > thing that a lot of people had trouble with is that one person claims they > could use the Walmart app and if they could everyone else should be able to > as well. That was not the case at all that one person may have been able to > use the Walmart app, but the rest of us either couldn’t or had incredible > Dilili difficult time doing it. It just seems as though some of the websites > and apps are incredibly difficult to work with and just really tricky. It > just seems like with VoiceOver or whatever screen reader you might have it is > so easy to get lost and thoroughly confused. And I will say this much if no > one understands what I’m talking about they may as well come and beat me up. > I hope I got the point across. If I didn’t well I hope I can do it another > day. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 3, 2025, at 7:20 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >> >> Given the off list comments supporting my stance, you seem to be choosing >> to focus energy quite negatively here. >> I might add that the supervisors I spoke with at amazon, along with those >> from the disability team did not give me reason to feel your stance about >> Amazon Development is correct, speaking personally. >> which may be the real important point here. If my stance does not resonate >> for you, a personal choice, why spend traffic attempting to do whatever you >> feel you are managing with your post? >> Will not influence my thinking, in the slightest, or my word choice. >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, E.T. wrote: >>> >>> Then simply focus on the point, which is, send feedback to both Apple and >>> Amazon. But it is very likely that the Amazon developrs already have the >>> connection to Apple. So keep the complaints going to Amazon. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> Ambivalent? Well yes and no. >>> My e-Mail: >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> >>>> On 1/3/2025 4:33 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>> Perhaps you did not understand my point, I might have been to vague. >>>> There are likely hundreds of thousands if not more voiceover >>>> users..they are not on this list though to learn from brad. >>>> Instead, they are going to contact amazon, and likely learn no way to >>>> fix their issue. >>>> Voiceover is the screen reader on IOS apps as well. >>>> Making my point that reaching out to amazon is a wise one, Apple too. >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, E.T. wrote: >>>>> I have not seen a survey that corroborates that statement. Very few > >>>>> VO users? Brad did specifically state the Amazon app works for him using >>>>> > an iOS app. So why argue the [point? >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> Ambivalent? Well yes and no. >>>>> My e-Mail: >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>> On 1/3/2025 1:23 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>>> Brad, >>>>>> as helpful and appreciated as your wisdom might be, have you ever >>>>>> considered something? >>>>>> very very few voiceover and IOS users are on this list. >>>>>> So, a person understandably in the poster's situation is never > > >>>>>> going to >>>>>> get this idea, and of course because it works in your case does > > >>>>>> not mean >>>>>> it works for them. >>>>>> They may call amazon, even the so called customer service line for > > >>>>>> people >>>>>> with disabilities line. And, if done, they are not going to get > > >>>>>> your >>>>>> wisdom either. >>>>>> All the more reasons for contacting Amazon anyway, most of their >>>>>> customers are not going to learn from you. >>>>>> Just thoughts, >>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Brad Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>> [NON-Text Body part not included] >>>>> >>> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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