I would also point out that if you use the Web Spot feature, it is quite accurate indeed. I have a sweet spot set for a number of locations on the banking website I use and it surely is the greatest thing for making navigation of a site efficient. I have it setup so as soon as the page loads, I'm on the location to enter my login info. Once I'm logged in, I am immediately on the list of accounts and on the balance information. If folks have not really explored the possibilities of Web/sweet spots, do yourself a favor and give them a try, they are very useful. On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> Hello, > > If I may, I would like to point out that all navigation through elements on a > web page can be done with one hand and you don't need to remember a lot of > keys. When in dom. mode, press the left and right arrows at the same time to > enter quick nav mode. Now, press the left-up or right-up to cycle through > the navigation items in the roter. Then, navigate through the chosen element > with the up or down keys. > > As far as returning to the prior place in a web page, I have not found it to > be non existent. There are many times that it works, although, I would like > to see it work more consistently. I haven't found any screen reader do it > very well. > > I would also like to say that I never found any of the vo key strokes to be > difficult and I never understood why some people seemed to have such a > hang-up with them. There are some circumstances where one might need to > perform a task with only one hand, and I think that it was some what of a > legitimate concern earlier on. As I pointed out however, that issue has been > addressed with quick nav. > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Hi Scott, >> I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the differences >> between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes or Jaws and >> Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between pressing h >> by itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h to move among >> headers. And you say this is easily done with one hand? You must have >> amazing hands. I can no way do that. I've been touch typing for decades. It >> gets even more interesting when you add the shift into the mix to go up the >> page in reverse order. Doable? yes? As easy as pressing one key? Not by a >> long shot. Are there other benefits, such as not having to go in and out of >> forms mode? for sure. The added functionality for VO on the web in Snow >> Leopard is one of the main reasons I decided to try a Mac. I really >> appreciate the numpad commander, although learning it was not as intuitive >> as learning mnemonics on the regular keyboard. In no way is the rotor as >> efficient for me as having that array of single letter keystrokes that let >> me move among various web elements at will. Another thing I hope can be >> implemented in the future is a means of letting focus return to where it was >> when you return back to a previously visited page. That's a big time saver >> with the Windows screen readers, although it doesn't always work. Its >> nonexistent with vo. I like the fact that pages seem to load faster with >> Safari than they do with IE and a screen reader. Over all, for me, the >> Windows experience is still more efficient. But there are pluses with the >> Mac, and I'm hoping it will keep improving. Group mode is something I have >> tried and dropped. I just never found a page where it seemed to offer any >> advantage, since I don't really care how the page is laid out. I want info >> and where it is on the page just doesn't seem very important to me, so long >> as I can get to it efficiently. Maybe I don't go to the right sites where >> group mode's benefits are displayed to best advantage. >> >> Mary >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
