See you learn something new every day, even this old grumpy man. Have to redefine keyboard shortcuts though, i can't use existing ones due to the keyboard layout of a swedish keyboard. This isn't VOs fault though. /Krister
12 feb 2010 kl. 12.00 skrev Scott Howell: > I would also point out that if you use the Web Spot feature, it is quite > accurate indeed. I have a sweet spot set for a number of locations on the > banking website I use and it surely is the greatest thing for making > navigation of a site efficient. I have it setup so as soon as the page loads, > I'm on the location to enter my login info. Once I'm logged in, I am > immediately on the list of accounts and on the balance information. If folks > have not really explored the possibilities of Web/sweet spots, do yourself a > favor and give them a try, they are very useful. > On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> If I may, I would like to point out that all navigation through elements on >> a web page can be done with one hand and you don't need to remember a lot of >> keys. When in dom. mode, press the left and right arrows at the same time >> to enter quick nav mode. Now, press the left-up or right-up to cycle >> through the navigation items in the roter. Then, navigate through the >> chosen element with the up or down keys. >> >> As far as returning to the prior place in a web page, I have not found it to >> be non existent. There are many times that it works, although, I would like >> to see it work more consistently. I haven't found any screen reader do it >> very well. >> >> I would also like to say that I never found any of the vo key strokes to be >> difficult and I never understood why some people seemed to have such a >> hang-up with them. There are some circumstances where one might need to >> perform a task with only one hand, and I think that it was some what of a >> legitimate concern earlier on. As I pointed out however, that issue has >> been addressed with quick nav. >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> Hi Scott, >>> I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the differences >>> between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes or Jaws and >>> Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between pressing h >>> by itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h to move among >>> headers. And you say this is easily done with one hand? You must have >>> amazing hands. I can no way do that. I've been touch typing for decades. It >>> gets even more interesting when you add the shift into the mix to go up the >>> page in reverse order. Doable? yes? As easy as pressing one key? Not by a >>> long shot. Are there other benefits, such as not having to go in and out of >>> forms mode? for sure. The added functionality for VO on the web in Snow >>> Leopard is one of the main reasons I decided to try a Mac. I really >>> appreciate the numpad commander, although learning it was not as intuitive >>> as learning mnemonics on the regular keyboard. In no way is the rotor as >>> efficient for me as having that array of single letter keystrokes that let >>> me move among various web elements at will. Another thing I hope can be >>> implemented in the future is a means of letting focus return to where it >>> was when you return back to a previously visited page. That's a big time >>> saver with the Windows screen readers, although it doesn't always work. >>> Its nonexistent with vo. I like the fact that pages seem to load faster >>> with Safari than they do with IE and a screen reader. Over all, for me, the >>> Windows experience is still more efficient. But there are pluses with the >>> Mac, and I'm hoping it will keep improving. Group mode is something I have >>> tried and dropped. I just never found a page where it seemed to offer any >>> advantage, since I don't really care how the page is laid out. I want info >>> and where it is on the page just doesn't seem very important to me, so long >>> as I can get to it efficiently. Maybe I don't go to the right sites where >>> group mode's benefits are displayed to best advantage. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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