Why do you Beleive Apple's Face ID is SO Secure because Apple Says So?
Personally, I Beleive
Touch ID is More Secure & Gives Users More Security & Privacy than Apple's Face ID

Would Apple go Away from The Norm & Keep its iPhoneX special by Having it be the ONLY iPhone to come Equipped With Face ID for a Couple of Years to Justify the Price?
Probably Not
At 10:59 PM 10/31/2017, you wrote:
Hi Tim,

Facial recog is more secure than finger prints in this products case.

But yes an identical twin would be required and then I believe may still struggle.

I'll be surprised if someone doesn't crack the facial recognition some time soonn as they did pretty quickly with samsungs galaxy s8 version of it.
Which I believe is only retinal scan. Or was it iris scanning.

But either way,
If the looking directly at the phone / screen feature is auto disabled if vo is active, is that not a good feature for us as they have seen there may be an issue for blind / VI users looking actually at the phone camera.
To me this is a forward thought.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:56 PM
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Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours - CNET

Hi,

While I don't wish to minimize anyone's concerns, Face ID even without the eye contact feature is still very secure. You basically need to be a twin to be able to fool the system from most things I've heard or read. When the finger-print sensor was first introduced on the iPhone, there was quite a bit of noise made about possible security flaws, and now we're touting it as more secure than Face ID. I'm just not confident in many of these opinions out there. Joe Public just doesn't have the in-depth data required to do a proper assessment of its true security risks.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 31, 2017, at 17:32, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

The thing that makes me sad is that Apple, by all accounts, including theirs, is abandoning touch ID completely on the phone. The security issue is specifically if you disable that part of face id that requires you to actually look at the phone. I think I read that this will be off by default if the system detects VO is in use. And this means there is less security to the face id feature than is the case if this setting is left enabled.

Mary

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