Actually, I'm hoping we'll just move. lol Cheers, Donna > On Nov 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, maybe you’ll get some of that Trump infrastructure spending. I’d like > to see the government help offset the more rural areas expansion of critical > services like phone and network services. Remember we discussed not that > long ago there’s still places in Maine where you have to ring Mable up and > have her patch you through or that town in California where the only got > phone service 3 - 4 years ago.:) > > >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hey Scott, >> >> No, Carbondale isn't the problem, at least there is no policy against WIFI. >> There's just a lack of money and infrastructure, a problem which I suspect >> many small towns face. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So I live in a similar small town and I guess it’s just my town invested in >>> more infrastructure. We have gigabit service on the home side and not >>> great LTE coverage but since the low band stuff has been turned up much >>> much better. Remember too, your town might be the problem. I can give you >>> a practical example I faced head on. Palo Alto california, arguably the >>> center of the technical revolution is one of the most hostile places on the >>> planet to wireless companies. The town government is full of nut jobs who >>> believe that wireless signals will kill you, something disproven time and >>> time again. It’s impossible to set up an antenna there let alone modernize >>> it with current services like LTE. In the dead center of silicon valley >>> it’s hard to get a good signal because the town just won’t let it happen. >>> We used to use large arrays in surrounding towns to beam coverage in and >>> eventually AT&T worked a deal to put smaller antenna pods on the street >>> lights. It’s nonsense but it’s the way it was. I could have a fantastic >>> wireless experience at home in San Jose but you drive 20 miles to PA and >>> there goes the service. I used to take the train to work and like clock >>> work would lose my good service at the University avenue stop in PaloAlto. >>> So one thing we’re not considering here is the stupidity of small town >>> governments. My town is similar all though not quite so backwards. That’s >>> another problem but it’s also a problem that 700 and 600 mhz bands will >>> solve because you can carry your signals in to these areas from more >>> friendly surrounds. >>> >>> Again though all great points, yours and Tim’s are very solid. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> One thing I would add to this, Scott, is that there's a real difference >>>> between having minimal connectivity, and good connectivity. I live on the >>>> outskirts of a town with a population of 26,000. Though obviously not a >>>> large city, also not deserted prairie land either, and I don't have LTE >>>> coverage at my house. My provider is VZ, and their coverage is as good as >>>> it gets here. I'm aware of several dead spots around here, one of them >>>> sadly happens to be at my favorite microbrewery. You can't get a signal >>>> there to save your soul. I consider myself fortunate to have home download >>>> speeds of 65 MBPS, I have relatives whose download speeds in their homes >>>> are under 5, and they have very restrictive data caps. This would make >>>> sense to me if I actually lived in Montana, but I don't. I don't think >>>> things are quite as evolved as it might seem from where you are. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tim, no I understand where you’re coming from which is why I was >>>>> saying you were raising interesting points. >>>>> >>>>> I again think you’re making good ones. We’ve made a lot of progress in >>>>> covering rural areas but I suspect you’re correct. That being said, I >>>>> would be surprised if there were parts of the country with 0 coverage at >>>>> this point. Again I’m not sure about Canada but i would make the same >>>>> assumption. While you might not have the fastest service I think at this >>>>> point you’ll at least have some connectivity. You also probably don’t >>>>> have any one carrier with perfect coverage but I would suspect a >>>>> combination would get you there and the end user would just have to >>>>> select their local option. But your Montana example is a sound argument. >>>>> I also agree with your claims about our population distribution. >>>>> Suspect you’re dead on the money that our populations are concentrated at >>>>> the edges. Between just New York and Los Angeles you’ve got a big chunk >>>>> right there let alone all the other cities near the coasts. With the low >>>>> band LTE rolling out though and the ability to cover a lot more area with >>>>> a single tower and mesh them more effectively I think this will change >>>>> and is changing. I’ve been blessed to travel across country by car from >>>>> coast to coast and it’s surprising how much nothing is out there. Even >>>>> in the high deserts of New Mexico or the Oklahoma farm lands you still >>>>> get some sort of signal, may not be the fastest but I think we’re at a >>>>> point where if you’re on one of the big carriers it will work. Even the >>>>> T-Mobiles of the world are catching up again do to technology changes. >>>>> Even still though, we’re talking North America, your points are certainly >>>>> on the money when it comes to the developing world although fortunately >>>>> changing in favor of having a more connected world. >>>>> Look at some of the cool work Facebook and Google are doing. Granted >>>>> it’s nosebleed stuff now but the idea of global free access via wireless >>>>> is at least being thought about seriously. >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott, >>>>>> >>>>>> The only counter I'd put out there, is the percentage of population. >>>>>> The eastern seaboard of the US and California likely have a huge >>>>>> percentage of your population. Similarly, here in Canada, Quebec and >>>>>> Ontario have the vast majority of our population followed by BC on the >>>>>> west coast. The prairies are sparsely populated other than their cities >>>>>> and the north makes the prairie sparseness look very populated. 99.2% >>>>>> of the population doesn't cover 99.2% of your area, and there's likely >>>>>> some folks in Montana that would feel left out of that 99.2%. I >>>>>> appreciate your stats, and really appreciate your knowledge regarding >>>>>> this sort of thing, so I'm not trying to be contrary. As a person in >>>>>> the minority population in a number of ways, I don't always appreciate >>>>>> the population aspects of arguments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later... >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 08:49, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tim, interesting things to think about. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the US at least, I think the first is not much of an issue. More >>>>>> than one provider now has more than 99.2% of the population covered. >>>>>> Also, at least one of these providers offers an unlimited product or set >>>>>> of products openly with the other having an internal option available if >>>>>> you ask the right way. With the use of LTE and more specifically the >>>>>> lower band LTE signals to fill in the gaps things are getting pretty >>>>>> good. I’ve noticed this first hand here in my little section of New >>>>>> England where it used to be quite common to fall in to an Edge or GPRS >>>>>> area, this does not happen any more. It’s even rare to see HSPA+ >>>>>> signals any more. The only place I’ve seen the HSPA signals is off >>>>>> shore off Block Island which is a small island about 20 miles off shore >>>>>> that has a limited amount of bandwidth available to the island. >>>>>> For the really rural folks there are some viable dish based solutions >>>>>> now, Dish network has a system that’s not great but works and AT&T / >>>>>> Directv are coming out with a more compelling offering any day now. >>>>>> These terminate with an ethernet hand off now so you can drop them on a >>>>>> home network just like your traditional cable offerings. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. I’m not sure the WiFi instability is much of an issue any more. With >>>>>> the more modern protocols like type 802.11N and more recently 802.11AC >>>>>> you really do get a robust wireless experience in the home now. I cover >>>>>> my 3000+ SQFT area now with just one access point using 802.11AC and it >>>>>> works remarkably well. Note though that I do use AC networking across >>>>>> the board now and aren’t supporting any N or B devices. (this probably >>>>>> makes a difference) >>>>>> >>>>>> The file size issue is becoming less and less of a problem. Sure, USB >>>>>> is pretty speedy and no I’m not syncing over WiFi as fast as USB but I’m >>>>>> syncing fast enough to be enjoyable to use. Also, with more use of >>>>>> streaming I’m downloading less of the file at any one time, establishing >>>>>> an appropriate buffer and pulling the content down with an as needed >>>>>> basis from some server out on the Internet somewhere. With services >>>>>> like Akamai and other CDNs that content is pretty close to my network >>>>>> access point so I’m dealing with less and less inter network congestion >>>>>> issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now as you said, this is totally based on what’s available in your area. >>>>>> The availability of unlimited services in the US may differ from Canada >>>>>> and that may differ from Pakistan etc. We’ve got some things coming >>>>>> down the pipeline that will help with this. Some of the fixed wireless >>>>>> 5G services will help remove the need for last mile cables and support >>>>>> very high speeds direct to the home. There are also many countries >>>>>> doing things that are even more advanced than we are here on the North >>>>>> American continent. South Korea for example is pushing gigabit to the >>>>>> handset and even faster to fixed wireless, New Zealand has a very robust >>>>>> wireless environment as does Australia and our friends in Europe are >>>>>> doing well on the wireless side as well. Africa is a problem area in >>>>>> some places but that’s vastly improving. With the push for complete >>>>>> mobile banking and a totally wireless environment the networks are being >>>>>> built in the developing world wirelessly to start. >>>>>> So in summary, you raise a very good set of points but I think the days >>>>>> of wires are numbered. Whether it’s the short hall wireless like your >>>>>> bluetooth now replacing headphone jacks or stuff like the emerging 5G or >>>>>> even more advanced 4G and improvements in WiFi I really think a day with >>>>>> no wires is closing in on us. Look at the push for 802.11AD, this is to >>>>>> give you the wireless living room. You won’t even wire up your devices >>>>>> any more in a close setting like this but rather use the 60 ghz band to >>>>>> bind everything together. >>>>>> >>>>>> You pose a lot to think about though. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple of things to consider. We often look at the world from our >>>>>>> own prospective, and forget that there are numerous other scenarios. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Cell signals and Internet access in the US and many other countries >>>>>>> is quite common and fairly robust, especially in larger centres. >>>>>>> consider though rural and more remote locales though. On the 5 hour >>>>>>> drive from Fort McMurray to the nearest city, we encounter numerous >>>>>>> dead zones. The towns, if you can call them that, do have Internet, >>>>>>> but nothing like the cities. Many of the farmers still need to use >>>>>>> dial up or cell data plans to have Internet access, if they can even >>>>>>> get a quality cell signal. There are many countries or areas around >>>>>>> the world that have a much different Internet infrastructure than what >>>>>>> many of us are accustomed to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Internet data charges vary considerably from country to country >>>>>>> making it important to think economically with respect to data use. >>>>>>> Connecting to your computer therefore saves both data usage and money >>>>>>> when transferring between devices. Yes, there are WiFi solutions of >>>>>>> transferring between devices, but they tend to be less reliable than >>>>>>> the USB wired solutions at this point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Transferring large files like HD movies is considerably faster >>>>>>> through USB than it is over the air, so time considerations are also a >>>>>>> factor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm mostly just saying that we need to consider outside our own bubble, >>>>>>> the world is a different beast. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 20:46, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not really, the cloud design at Apple is quite sound. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only time I use the backup feature and hard wire is for an >>>>>>> encrypted backup if I’m going to erase the phone which I haven’t had to >>>>>>> do for years. Also the first time configuration for enabling WiFi >>>>>>> sync. Other than that absolutely 100% cloud based. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is a cloud but vapor anyway? Given the right conditions, that can >>>>>>>> translate to Poof! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>> Without H2O there is no life! >>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/7/2016 3:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>> Again, I know there are those times like you say, an incrypted backup, >>>>>>>>> etc. when USB would be necessary. I wasn't saying throw the baby >>>>>>>>> totally >>>>>>>>> out with the bathwater. I more just meant is it something where most >>>>>>>>> things, you really don't need to plug it in via USB anymore. >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>>>>>>> Training Instructor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com> >>>>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> *From:* michael babcock <mailto:michael.babcoc...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 6:14 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Here's an interesting question for all iOS users >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Secure encrypted backups >>>>>>>>> e.g. if you don’t want to have to enter your passwords into apps >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> correct me if i’m wrong, however iCloud backups aren’t keeping all >>>>>>>>> passwords where as a local backup can. >>>>>>>>> also, what happens if iCloud was hacked, or unavailable, or is >>>>>>>>> something apple wanted to shut down. >>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> I personally keep local copies of my backups just in case. >>>>>>>>> once per week. >>>>>>>>> hth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me start by saying two things: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. I realize entirely that my question is very subjective. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. I further understand that there really is no right or wrong >>>>>>>>>> answer to this. I'm asking more just out of curiosity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, here tgos. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So... now adays with so much stuff regarding Apple happening in >>>>>>>>>> the cloud, I often ask myself: is there really much reason now >>>>>>>>>> adays to sync your iOS device with ITunes on the mac? How many of >>>>>>>>>> you really don't connect your phone to the mac unless it's >>>>>>>>>> absolutely necessary? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I mean, think about it like this. You get a wallblock charger with >>>>>>>>>> all new iPhones, (key word, new,) as well as iPads. OK, for iPods, >>>>>>>>>> I could see it, as I don't think, unless things have changed which >>>>>>>>>> is highly probabal, they came with the apple block transformer. >>>>>>>>>> But either way, there really isn't much need anymore with Apple >>>>>>>>>> Music to sync music across your device, as music can automatically >>>>>>>>>> come down to your device anyway over the ICloud Music library, and >>>>>>>>>> even if you don't! have Apple Music, you still have the ICloud >>>>>>>>>> music library, so if it's something where you rip a CD we'll just >>>>>>>>>> say, it would still upload it to your library, provided you have >>>>>>>>>> things set correctly, thereby making it appear on your iOS device. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You really don't need to use ITunes to sync photos and videos >>>>>>>>>> anymore, as you have the iCloud photo library. All purchased and >>>>>>>>>> rented movies as well as TV shows are in the cloud, same goes with >>>>>>>>>> books from IBooks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can do iOS updates usually over the air, (OTA,) so there >>>>>>>>>> really isn't a need to do them from ITunes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, I get that there are those few instances like putting the >>>>>>>>>> device into DFU mode and installing betas, or downgrading from >>>>>>>>>> betas. I also get that sometimes, you may want to download the >>>>>>>>>> whole iOS OS and restore. I also get you may want to make >>>>>>>>>> occasional backups locally to ITunes. But even that! you can do >>>>>>>>>> ICloud backups. I mean, pretty much everything is going to the cloud. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You even now can set it so that if you download an app or >>>>>>>>>> song/album from the ITunes store on the mac, it'll automatically >>>>>>>>>> download to your device seemlessly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I won't go into the details, but a friend of mine is having an >>>>>>>>>> issue where things are downloading to his device automatically >>>>>>>>>> that he didn't suspect would automatically download. Through >>>>>>>>>> talking to him, it's just kind a got me thinking a bit on a >>>>>>>>>> totally unrelated note how necessary this really is. 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-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
