Scott,

The only counter I'd put out there, is the percentage of population.  The 
eastern seaboard of the US and California likely have a huge percentage of your 
population.  Similarly, here in Canada, Quebec and Ontario have the vast 
majority of our population followed by BC on the west coast.  The prairies are 
sparsely populated other than their cities and the north makes the prairie 
sparseness look very populated.  99.2% of the population doesn't cover 99.2% of 
your area, and there's likely some folks in Montana that would feel left out of 
that 99.2%.  I appreciate your stats, and really appreciate your knowledge 
regarding this sort of thing, so I'm not trying to be contrary.  As a person in 
the minority population in a number of ways, I don't always appreciate the 
population aspects of arguments.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 8, 2016, at 08:49, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tim, interesting things to think about.

In the US at least, I think the first is not much of an issue.  More than one 
provider now has more than 99.2% of the population covered.  Also, at least one 
of these providers offers an unlimited product or set of products openly with 
the other having an internal option available if you ask the right way.  With 
the use of LTE and more specifically the lower band LTE signals to fill in the 
gaps things are getting pretty good.  I’ve noticed this first hand here in my 
little section of New England where it used to be quite common to fall in to an 
Edge or GPRS area, this does not happen any more.  It’s even rare to see HSPA+ 
signals any more.  The only place I’ve seen the HSPA signals is off shore off 
Block Island which is a small island about 20 miles off shore that has a 
limited amount of bandwidth available to the island.
        For the really rural folks there are some viable dish based solutions 
now, Dish network has a system that’s not great but works and AT&T / Directv 
are coming out with a more compelling offering any day now.  These terminate 
with an ethernet hand off now so you can drop them on a home network just like 
your traditional cable offerings.

2. I’m not sure the WiFi instability is much of an issue any more. With the 
more modern protocols like type 802.11N and more recently 802.11AC you really 
do get a robust wireless experience in the home now.  I cover my 3000+ SQFT 
area now with just one access point using 802.11AC and it works remarkably 
well.  Note though that I do use AC networking across the board now and aren’t 
supporting any N or B devices.  (this probably makes a difference)

The file size issue is becoming less and less of a problem.  Sure, USB is 
pretty speedy and no I’m not syncing over WiFi as fast as USB but I’m syncing 
fast enough to be enjoyable to use.  Also, with more use of streaming I’m 
downloading less of the file at any one time, establishing an appropriate 
buffer and pulling the content down with an as needed basis from some server 
out on the Internet somewhere.  With services like Akamai and other CDNs that 
content is pretty close to my network access point so I’m dealing with less and 
less inter network congestion issues.

Now as you said, this is totally based on what’s available in your area.  The 
availability of unlimited services in the US may differ from Canada and that 
may differ from Pakistan etc.  We’ve got some things coming down the pipeline 
that will help with this.  Some of the fixed wireless 5G services will help 
remove the need for last mile cables and support very high speeds direct to the 
home.  There are also many countries doing things that are even more advanced 
than we are here on the North American continent.  South Korea for example is 
pushing gigabit to the handset and even faster to fixed wireless, New Zealand 
has a very robust wireless environment as does Australia and our friends in 
Europe are doing well on the wireless side as well.  Africa is a problem area 
in some places but that’s vastly improving.  With the push for complete mobile 
banking and a totally wireless environment the networks are being built in the 
developing world wirelessly to start.  
        So in summary, you raise a very good set of points but I think the days 
of wires are numbered.  Whether it’s the short hall wireless like your 
bluetooth now replacing headphone jacks or stuff like the emerging 5G or even 
more advanced 4G and improvements in WiFi I really think a day with no wires is 
closing in on us.  Look at the push for 802.11AD, this is to give you the 
wireless living room.  You won’t even wire up your devices any more in a close 
setting like this but rather use the 60 ghz band to bind everything together.

You pose a lot to think about though.


> On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A couple of things to consider.  We often look at the world from our own 
> prospective, and forget that there are numerous other scenarios.
> 
> 1.  Cell signals and Internet access in the US and many other countries is 
> quite common and fairly robust, especially in larger centres.  consider 
> though rural and more remote locales though.  On the 5 hour drive from Fort 
> McMurray to the nearest city, we encounter numerous dead zones.  The towns, 
> if you can call them that, do have Internet, but nothing like the cities.  
> Many of the farmers still need to use dial up or cell data plans to have 
> Internet access, if they can even get a quality cell signal.  There are many 
> countries or areas around the world that have a much different Internet 
> infrastructure than what many of us are accustomed to.
> 
> 2.  Internet data charges vary considerably from country to country making it 
> important to think economically with respect to data use.  Connecting to your 
> computer therefore saves both data usage and money when transferring between 
> devices.  Yes, there are WiFi solutions of transferring between devices, but 
> they tend to be less reliable than the USB wired solutions at this point.
> 
> 3.  Transferring large files like HD movies is considerably faster through 
> USB than it is over the air, so time considerations are also a factor.
> 
> I'm mostly just saying that we need to consider outside our own bubble, the 
> world is a different beast.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 7, 2016, at 20:46, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not really, the cloud design at Apple is quite sound.
> 
> The only time I use the backup feature and hard wire is for an encrypted 
> backup if I’m going to erase the phone which I haven’t had to do for years.  
> Also the first time configuration for enabling WiFi sync.  Other than that 
> absolutely 100% cloud based.
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What is a cloud but vapor anyway? Given the right conditions, that can 
>> translate to Poof!
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/7/2016 3:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Again, I know there are those times like you say, an incrypted backup,
>>> etc. when USB would be necessary. I wasn't saying throw the baby totally
>>> out with the bathwater. I more just meant is it something where most
>>> things, you really don't need to plug it in via USB anymore.
>>> ---
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>>> *From:* michael babcock <mailto:michael.babcoc...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 6:14 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: Here's an interesting question for all iOS users
>>> 
>>> Secure encrypted backups
>>> e.g. if you don’t want to have to enter your passwords into apps again.
>>> correct me if i’m wrong, however iCloud backups aren’t keeping all
>>> passwords where as a local backup can.
>>> also, what happens if iCloud was hacked, or unavailable, or is
>>> something apple wanted to shut down.
>>> :)
>>> I personally keep local copies  of my backups just in case.
>>> once per week.
>>> hth
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Let me start by saying two things:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. I realize entirely that my question is very subjective.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. I further understand that there really is no right or wrong
>>>> answer to this. I'm asking more just out of curiosity.
>>>> 
>>>> So, here tgos.
>>>> 
>>>> So... now adays with so much stuff regarding Apple happening in
>>>> the cloud, I often ask myself: is there really much reason now
>>>> adays to sync your iOS device with ITunes on the mac? How many of
>>>> you really don't connect your phone to the mac unless it's
>>>> absolutely necessary?
>>>> 
>>>> I mean, think about it like this. You get a wallblock charger with
>>>> all new iPhones, (key word, new,) as well as iPads. OK, for iPods,
>>>> I could see it, as I don't think, unless things have changed which
>>>> is highly probabal, they came with the apple block transformer.
>>>> But either way, there really isn't much need anymore with Apple
>>>> Music to sync music across your device, as music can automatically
>>>> come down to your device anyway over the ICloud Music library, and
>>>> even if you don't! have Apple Music, you still have the ICloud
>>>> music library, so if it's something where you rip a CD we'll just
>>>> say, it would still upload it to your library, provided you have
>>>> things set correctly, thereby making it appear on your iOS device.
>>>> 
>>>> You really don't need to use ITunes to sync photos and videos
>>>> anymore, as you have the iCloud photo library. All purchased and
>>>> rented movies as well as TV shows are in the cloud, same goes with
>>>> books from IBooks.
>>>> 
>>>> You can do iOS updates usually over the air, (OTA,) so there
>>>> really isn't a need to do them from ITunes.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, I get that there are those few instances like putting the
>>>> device into DFU mode and installing betas, or downgrading from
>>>> betas. I also get that sometimes, you may want to download the
>>>> whole iOS OS and restore. I also get you may want to make
>>>> occasional backups locally to ITunes. But even that! you can do
>>>> ICloud backups. I mean, pretty much everything is going to the cloud.
>>>> 
>>>> You even now can set it so that if you download an app or
>>>> song/album from the ITunes store on the mac, it'll automatically
>>>> download to your device seemlessly.
>>>> 
>>>> I won't go into the details, but a friend of mine is having an
>>>> issue where things are downloading to his device automatically
>>>> that he didn't suspect would automatically download. Through
>>>> talking to him, it's just kind a got me thinking a bit on a
>>>> totally unrelated note how necessary this really is. I mean, for
>>>> the most part, do you really have to use USB aside from those very
>>>> rare occasions, or would I be doing myself a favor to free up that
>>>> USB port for something more valuable like a flash drive, or even
>>>> better, maybe my braille display, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
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