Just one more thing to add. I open the thread of messages and press VO uparrow to stop interacting with the thread once and then shift VO left arrow to the top and VO right once where Voice over reads each message automatically. Even if the thread has been read and a new message comes in let’s say, I can press command W if I have not come out of the window of messages, then press enter once and I am on the new message and Voice Over reads it automatically. Thinking about it, I read the messages as if I were using my I phone but the nice thing I like about my method is that just VO left or VO shift right arrow takes me to the very end of the thread where the last message is read so no interacting just stop interacting once when the thread is opened. Hope this does not confuse anyone.
Kawal. > On 19 Dec 2015, at 06:57, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Hello. > > I have another method of reading mail as I don’t understand how Mark does > what he describes as I have read what he says but it doesn’t make sense to me. > > What I do is press enter on the list of messages, Then Vo left to the first > message and Voice Over reads it automatically. I just VO right arrow once to > get to each message and Voice Over reads it automatically. Once after VO > right through all the messages where Voice Over has read each message > automatically, I press Command W to close the list of messages and press the > delete key. I do not interact with any message by the way, Voice Over reads > everything automatically. I use the Modern view and do not use VO J to jump > in to any message just VO right each time one message is read after pressing > Enter on a thread of message. So for my method, press enter to open a thread > and Vo left shift to get to the top of the thread and then just VO right each > time the message has been read and no interacting. I’ve done this for years > since I could read mail and it takes me all of five minutes to read each > thread. Don’t know if this makes sense to anyone. > > Kawal. >> On 18 Dec 2015, at 22:45, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi Sandy, once you've interacted with the message table, use VO+Right-arrow. >> YOu'll then be focussed on the individual columns. If you move to the >> subject column, you can then down-arrow and hear only the subject. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>> On 19/12/2015, at 12:09 AM, Sandy Finley <finleykn...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:finleykn...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I have been reading this thread with great interest. I have one tip and >>> two questions. While interacting with the list of messages it is possible >>> to jump to the top and bottom of the table with control, option, function >>> left arrow or right arrow respectively. >>> >>> Jonathan, you wrote, " >>>> ...interacting with the message table in a folder where messages are >>>> grouped by conversation, such as the folder one might set up for this >>>> list, helps because you can arrow down and hear only the subjects of the >>>> threads, rather than having to sit through a long list of senders before >>>> you know what the subject is." >>> I am not finding that to be the case so I wonder what setting I might not >>> have right. In my Apple folder messages are grouped by conversation and I >>> have them sorted by subject. And yes, I am interacting with the table of >>> messages. >>> >>> Also, how does one access this five-line preview? I have it on my phone >>> but not on my Mac. Is it available? Thanks. >>> Sandy Finley >>> finleykn...@gmail.com <mailto:finleykn...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 10:58 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Jonathon and thank you for your kind compliment in describing my >>>> previous post as being clear. >>>> >>>> Actually, I do not use a 5 line preview pane, although I do use the >>>> standard view. >>>> >>>> The primary beauty of the technique I use is that, if setup properly, one >>>> does not have to jump into each individual message of a thread in order to >>>> have it be automatically read by VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> Jonathan, since you are the tech writer of the group, perhaps we could >>>> discuss the configuration and execution, off-list, and you could write up >>>> a short guide. >>>> Just a thought (smile). >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 2:54 PM >>>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> Subject: Re: Most efficient way to read emails >>>> >>>> Hmmm, based on mark's clear description already, O'm not sure what >>>> everyone is expecting him to add? He's using the standard layout, not >>>> classic, with five lines of preview, and VO+J to jump into the full body >>>> of the message where necessary. I think that's what a number of us are >>>> doing. Works well. >>>> The only other thing I'd add is that interacting with the message table in >>>> a folder where messages are grouped by conversation, such as the folder >>>> one might set up for this list, helps because you can arrow down and hear >>>> only the subjects of the threads, rather than having to sit through a long >>>> list of senders before you know what the subject is. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> >>>> On 18/12/2015, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I know it takes time to write up guides, but I would be interested in your >>>> method, Mark. And I think a short step-by-step guide would be more helpful >>>> than a podcast or a conference call, which all might not attend. I like >>>> written guides, because I can access them and start and stop or review or >>>> whatever without having to fool with the whole podcast thing. I guess it >>>> goes back to my braille learning and using days in school. I love audio, , >>>> Nothing beats a step-by-step list of do this, than that, then the other >>>> thing. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Matthew Janusauskas <mjanusaus...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> I have heard mention several times of this efficiency recipe that Mark has >>>> for quickly reading through large amounts of mail using mail.app on the >>>> Mac. I would be interested in the details. Perhaps a short guide on >>>> AppleVis would be helpful to many? >>>> >>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jonathan, this is quite exciting to me. So does that mean you could >>>> write a script that puts the subject column first, and that upon running >>>> that script, the change would stick? >>>> If so, I would be super interested in such a script. It would be even >>>> better if the settings were folder specific, but I'm guessing that's not >>>> possible? >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org >>>> >>>> On 17/12/2015, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have tested, that you can change the order the columns in the standard >>>> view of mail using AppleScript. >>>> >>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>> >>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>> For what it's worth, I also use the five-line preview. Often, this is >>>> enough to let me read the entire message, or at least most of it. If I >>>> need to open it, I press enter, and VO reads it automatically. I can press >>>> vo-a to speed up the reading process, but that's not usually necessary. >>>> When done, cmd-w closes the message and I'm back in the list. >>>> >>>> I always keep the preview pane closed, because with it opened, arrowing >>>> past a message is enough to mark it 'read' even if I didn't read it. I >>>> also use the modern layout, because the classic one doesn't support the >>>> preview text I mentioned before. yes, classic layout lets me sort the >>>> order of columns in the messages table, but losing that preview isn't >>>> worth saving a second by hearing the subject first, to me at least. >>>> >>>> This is a highly personal choice, and is based on what you are used to, >>>> how you read messages, and so on. Play with both layouts and see which you >>>> like best. I really can't offer anything more specific than that, because >>>> the 'best' way is subjective. >>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 14:39, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I too am a fan of the Apple mail. I do not use classic view., I have 5 >>>> lines showing. I just curser down and 5 lines is enough to judge whether I >>>> want to open it. Most messages I don’t bother. I just hit the delete key. >>>> This is using the wired keyboard. I only expand the thread I want to read. >>>> I haven’t found how to have 5 lines displayed for individual messages in a >>>> thread. I hit return to open message if I want to read more than the 5 >>>> lines. Or in a threaded message. I also use a smart mailbox with all my >>>> unread messages. Other rules for my PayPal receipts for example, are >>>> automatically moved into their respective mailboxes. I do need to open >>>> such messages to gain the read flag. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Gena >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 Dec 2015, at 16:26, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Traci, >>>> >>>> I am a huge fan of the Mac Mail application. In fact, I think it the >>>> absolute best resource that the Mac has to offer. With it, I can go >>>> through hundreds and hundreds of messages in just a few minutes with a >>>> minimum of keystrokes as VoiceOver automatically reads each message as it >>>> comes into focus. >>>> >>>> Having said this, there are a few things one must do in which to get this >>>> to happen. >>>> >>>> IN this post, I will only sketch out the broad strokes as a more detailed >>>> description would take more time to list than I have, at the moment. >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> You must use the Default layout view, complete with the preview pane >>>> intact. More simply put, do not modify the default view. >>>> >>>> 2. >>>> You must use the conversation view with all conversations, collapsed. >>>> >>>> 3. >>>> Your primary navigation key will be the Tab Key along with the arrow keys. >>>> Generally speaking, there is no need to use the enter key, the command+o >>>> key combo nor the command+w key-combo. >>>> >>>> If you would like more details on how to use the application as I do, >>>> please send me a message, off-list and we can schedule a time for a live >>>> walk-through, via phone. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci Duncan >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 7:57 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Most efficient way to read emails >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I’d like to here how people read their emails in Mac Mail. Personally, >>>> I’m finding it rather cumbersome & time consuming. Here is what I >>>> typically do… Hopefully, y’all have a better way. >>>> >>>> I use classic layout. Quick-nav is off & I hit right arrow to open the >>>> message thread. I navigate to the earliest message in the discussion & >>>> hit command-o to open. Once I’ve read that message, command-w to close, >>>> then delete. I then arrow up to the next message in the thread. I do >>>> this until I’m done reading the discussion. >>>> >>>> I’ve had inconsistent success with opening a thread by command-o, then >>>> using vo-j to jump message to message, but this doesn’t work all the time. >>>> >>>> Please, any tips? Does anyone use the other layout in mail? Is it >>>> faster? The one little time saver I miss, is deleting a message right >>>> from the message window. 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