Hmmm, based on mark's clear description already, O'm not sure what everyone is expecting him to add? He's using the standard layout, not classic, with five lines of preview, and VO+J to jump into the full body of the message where necessary. I think that's what a number of us are doing. Works well. The only other thing I'd add is that interacting with the message table in a folder where messages are grouped by conversation, such as the folder one might set up for this list, helps because you can arrow down and hear only the subjects of the threads, rather than having to sit through a long list of senders before you know what the subject is. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org
> On 18/12/2015, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I know it takes time to write up guides, but I would be interested in your > method, Mark. And I think a short step-by-step guide would be more helpful > than a podcast or a conference call, which all might not attend. I like > written guides, because I can access them and start and stop or review or > whatever without having to fool with the whole podcast thing. I guess it goes > back to my braille learning and using days in school. I love audio, , Nothing > beats a step-by-step list of do this, than that, then the other thing. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 17, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Matthew Janusauskas <mjanusaus...@gmail.com > <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> I have heard mention several times of this efficiency recipe that Mark has >> for quickly reading through large amounts of mail using mail.app on the Mac. >> I would be interested in the details. Perhaps a short guide on AppleVis >> would be helpful to many? >> >>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jonathan, this is quite exciting to me. So does that mean you could >>> write a script that puts the subject column first, and that upon running >>> that script, the change would stick? >>> If so, I would be super interested in such a script. It would be even >>> better if the settings were folder specific, but I'm guessing that's not >>> possible? >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 17/12/2015, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have tested, that you can change the order the columns in the standard >>>> view of mail using AppleScript. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>> >>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For what it's worth, I also use the five-line preview. Often, this is >>>>> enough to let me read the entire message, or at least most of it. If I >>>>> need to open it, I press enter, and VO reads it automatically. I can >>>>> press vo-a to speed up the reading process, but that's not usually >>>>> necessary. When done, cmd-w closes the message and I'm back in the list. >>>>> >>>>> I always keep the preview pane closed, because with it opened, arrowing >>>>> past a message is enough to mark it 'read' even if I didn't read it. I >>>>> also use the modern layout, because the classic one doesn't support the >>>>> preview text I mentioned before. yes, classic layout lets me sort the >>>>> order of columns in the messages table, but losing that preview isn't >>>>> worth saving a second by hearing the subject first, to me at least. >>>>> >>>>> This is a highly personal choice, and is based on what you are used to, >>>>> how you read messages, and so on. Play with both layouts and see which >>>>> you like best. I really can't offer anything more specific than that, >>>>> because the 'best' way is subjective. >>>>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 14:39, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk >>>>>> <mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I too am a fan of the Apple mail. I do not use classic view., I have 5 >>>>>> lines showing. I just curser down and 5 lines is enough to judge whether >>>>>> I want to open it. Most messages I don’t bother. I just hit the delete >>>>>> key. This is using the wired keyboard. I only expand the thread I want >>>>>> to read. I haven’t found how to have 5 lines displayed for individual >>>>>> messages in a thread. I hit return to open message if I want to read >>>>>> more than the 5 lines. Or in a threaded message. I also use a smart >>>>>> mailbox with all my unread messages. Other rules for my PayPal receipts >>>>>> for example, are automatically moved into their respective mailboxes. I >>>>>> do need to open such messages to gain the read flag. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH >>>>>> >>>>>> Gena >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2015, at 16:26, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Traci, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a huge fan of the Mac Mail application. In fact, I think it the >>>>>>> absolute best resource that the Mac has to offer. With it, I can go >>>>>>> through hundreds and hundreds of messages in just a few minutes with a >>>>>>> minimum of keystrokes as VoiceOver automatically reads each message as >>>>>>> it comes into focus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having said this, there are a few things one must do in which to get >>>>>>> this to happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IN this post, I will only sketch out the broad strokes as a more >>>>>>> detailed description would take more time to list than I have, at the >>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> You must use the Default layout view, complete with the preview pane >>>>>>> intact. More simply put, do not modify the default view. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>> You must use the conversation view with all conversations, collapsed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>> Your primary navigation key will be the Tab Key along with the arrow >>>>>>> keys. Generally speaking, there is no need to use the enter key, the >>>>>>> command+o key combo nor the command+w key-combo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you would like more details on how to use the application as I do, >>>>>>> please send me a message, off-list and we can schedule a time for a >>>>>>> live walk-through, via phone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Traci Duncan >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 7:57 AM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Most efficient way to read emails >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’d like to here how people read their emails in Mac Mail. Personally, >>>>>>> I’m finding it rather cumbersome & time consuming. Here is what I >>>>>>> typically do… Hopefully, y’all have a better way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use classic layout. Quick-nav is off & I hit right arrow to open the >>>>>>> message thread. I navigate to the earliest message in the discussion & >>>>>>> hit command-o to open. Once I’ve read that message, command-w to >>>>>>> close, then delete. I then arrow up to the next message in the thread. >>>>>>> I do this until I’m done reading the discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve had inconsistent success with opening a thread by command-o, then >>>>>>> using vo-j to jump message to message, but this doesn’t work all the >>>>>>> time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please, any tips? Does anyone use the other layout in mail? Is it >>>>>>> faster? The one little time saver I miss, is deleting a message right >>>>>>> from the message window. It seems I need to close it first to >>>>>>> successfully delete it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, I appreciate the help. >>>>>>> Traci >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>>> Cara Quinn - 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