Jonathan, return I believe that would be possible. Currently I do not have a Macintosh to use full-time, so I need to use my wife's. Computer. I will try this out while I'm on vacation next week. best wishes Jonathan Cohn
Jonathan Cohn > On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, this is quite exciting to me. So does that mean you could write > a script that puts the subject column first, and that upon running that > script, the change would stick? > If so, I would be super interested in such a script. It would be even better > if the settings were folder specific, but I'm guessing that's not possible? > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > >> On 17/12/2015, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have tested, that you can change the order the columns in the standard >> view of mail using AppleScript. >> >> >> Jonathan Cohn >> >>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> For what it's worth, I also use the five-line preview. Often, this is >>> enough to let me read the entire message, or at least most of it. If I need >>> to open it, I press enter, and VO reads it automatically. I can press vo-a >>> to speed up the reading process, but that's not usually necessary. When >>> done, cmd-w closes the message and I'm back in the list. >>> >>> I always keep the preview pane closed, because with it opened, arrowing >>> past a message is enough to mark it 'read' even if I didn't read it. I also >>> use the modern layout, because the classic one doesn't support the preview >>> text I mentioned before. yes, classic layout lets me sort the order of >>> columns in the messages table, but losing that preview isn't worth saving a >>> second by hearing the subject first, to me at least. >>> >>> This is a highly personal choice, and is based on what you are used to, how >>> you read messages, and so on. Play with both layouts and see which you like >>> best. I really can't offer anything more specific than that, because the >>> 'best' way is subjective. >>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 14:39, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I too am a fan of the Apple mail. I do not use classic view., I have 5 >>>> lines showing. I just curser down and 5 lines is enough to judge whether I >>>> want to open it. Most messages I don’t bother. I just hit the delete key. >>>> This is using the wired keyboard. I only expand the thread I want to read. >>>> I haven’t found how to have 5 lines displayed for individual messages in a >>>> thread. I hit return to open message if I want to read more than the 5 >>>> lines. Or in a threaded message. I also use a smart mailbox with all my >>>> unread messages. Other rules for my PayPal receipts for example, are >>>> automatically moved into their respective mailboxes. I do need to open >>>> such messages to gain the read flag. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Gena >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 16 Dec 2015, at 16:26, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Traci, >>>>> >>>>> I am a huge fan of the Mac Mail application. In fact, I think it the >>>>> absolute best resource that the Mac has to offer. With it, I can go >>>>> through hundreds and hundreds of messages in just a few minutes with a >>>>> minimum of keystrokes as VoiceOver automatically reads each message as it >>>>> comes into focus. >>>>> >>>>> Having said this, there are a few things one must do in which to get this >>>>> to happen. >>>>> >>>>> IN this post, I will only sketch out the broad strokes as a more detailed >>>>> description would take more time to list than I have, at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> 1. >>>>> You must use the Default layout view, complete with the preview pane >>>>> intact. More simply put, do not modify the default view. >>>>> >>>>> 2. >>>>> You must use the conversation view with all conversations, collapsed. >>>>> >>>>> 3. >>>>> Your primary navigation key will be the Tab Key along with the arrow >>>>> keys. Generally speaking, there is no need to use the enter key, the >>>>> command+o key combo nor the command+w key-combo. >>>>> >>>>> If you would like more details on how to use the application as I do, >>>>> please send me a message, off-list and we can schedule a time for a live >>>>> walk-through, via phone. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci Duncan >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 7:57 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Most efficient way to read emails >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I’d like to here how people read their emails in Mac Mail. Personally, >>>>> I’m finding it rather cumbersome & time consuming. Here is what I >>>>> typically do… Hopefully, y’all have a better way. >>>>> >>>>> I use classic layout. Quick-nav is off & I hit right arrow to open the >>>>> message thread. I navigate to the earliest message in the discussion & >>>>> hit command-o to open. Once I’ve read that message, command-w to close, >>>>> then delete. I then arrow up to the next message in the thread. I do >>>>> this until I’m done reading the discussion. >>>>> >>>>> I’ve had inconsistent success with opening a thread by command-o, then >>>>> using vo-j to jump message to message, but this doesn’t work all the time. >>>>> >>>>> Please, any tips? Does anyone use the other layout in mail? Is it >>>>> faster? The one little time saver I miss, is deleting a message right >>>>> from the message window. It seems I need to close it first to >>>>> successfully delete it. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, I appreciate the help. >>>>> Traci >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - 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