I to agree even with all the awful bugs in El Capitan that Apple is still the best game in town. It is just very frustrating. Could you imagine if Apple released an operating system where the new browser, new mail program, and app store did not work with VO, oh my would these boards be alive. Now Apple once again took a major step backwards with the serious bugs in El Capitan, and I am off to go finish backing up now then probably start my rollback to Yosemite. > On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > Furthermore, the Mac cannot even handle the filesystem of the new VarioUltra, > the display I have, although the braille display can't emulate keyboard > commands on the iPhone, so I now use my keys to go keyboard a lot > more.Anyways, I might use the Mac for pages, as scanning back and forth for > spelling errors is literally the best feature of voiceover for me.Gosh, if > the Mac were more stable for me, and had less voiceover bugs, I'd happily use > it a lot more. But for now, the iPhone is all I really use. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes with >> the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small windows >> lap top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there was >> better Braille sufport on the Mac. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about the >>> only way we'll get any progress. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey guy, >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the >>>> next version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original novice >>>> concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. >>>> >>>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has >>>> posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO users >>>> on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. Thankfully I >>>> will be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more backups. >>>> Seriously, I love Apple, but you got to call them out when they shit the >>>> bed and El Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El Capitan were >>>> going to be focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new things. Well, >>>> how can Apple expect any VO user that they seriously test VO when safari >>>> on a lot of websites is absolutely unusable. It is great that VO seems to >>>> be much snappier but with it constantly crashing and turning on and off it >>>> is unusable, and I am finding the same issue in chrome on the same >>>> websites so it is definitely VO. >>>> >>>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read >>>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will >>>> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down >>>> again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that >>>> Apple should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not >>>> care about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again. >>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and >>>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of the >>>>> operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first. >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is why I have Rolled back to Yosemite. >>>>>> >>>>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the Mac >>>>>> back in 2010. >>>>>> >>>>>> Won't be updating until a update comes out to address these problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours truly, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta? I >>>>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there >>>>>>> since I finally got successfully updated. How are people getting >>>>>>> around this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays >>>>>>> with computers? Are folks just using Crome instead? What about >>>>>>> Webkit? Is it any better? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst experience >>>>>>> I’ve ever had while using OS X. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library catalogue. >>>>>>>> Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari is broken? >>>>>>>> Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or for Talking >>>>>>>> books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps saying >>>>>>>> dialogue. Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due course so >>>>>>>> I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it when I >>>>>>>> tried it on the I phone 6 Plus. Now I am using the 6 Plus S wonder if >>>>>>>> it will improve. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it back >>>>>>>> to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite. I apologise if I have >>>>>>>> misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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