I do think Apple is more committed to accessibility than Microsoft, but
in the last couple years, Apple's quality control has really suffered,
and that's the real issue, they release products without fully testing
them. Regarding Windows screen readers, there really is no reason to
pay for expensive screen readers anymore. NVDA works very well, and if
you have a recent version of Microsoft Office, you can use Window Eyes
for free. To pay for Jaws now is simply a waste of money.
Original message:
Jaws is not the only game in town for windows. There is nvda, which is
quite respectable these days. The argument that you get a freebie with
a Mac and Windows screen readers are expensive just doesn't cut it
anymore, especially with Apple producing but here releases of OS X when
they are supposed to be "rock solid". I bought my first mac went snow
leopard was the current version of OS X. It was pretty solid. Since
then, there certainly have been improvements in voiceover features. I
still believe it is clear that Apple has made for more of a commitment
to accessibility then has Microsoft. After all, the new edge browser is
totally inaccessible to all but the experimental support with the
latest build of NVDA. However, Apple is quite open about this
commitment, therefore, they have set themselves a higher standard. And
they are not meeting it with this new release. When they release a
product with serious voiceover issues, they are sending a message that
their commitment to accessibility is not quite up to the standard of
their commitment to those who do not need accessibility features. Is
that really what they want to do?
Mary
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On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes
with the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small
windows lap top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish
there was better Braille sufport on the Mac.
Sent from my iPhone
On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about
the only way we'll get any progress.
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On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
Hey guy,
Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the
next version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original
novice concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list.
Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has
posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO
users on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system.
Thankfully I will be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some
more backups. Seriously, I love Apple, but you got to call them out
when they shit the bed and El Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9
and El Capitan were going to be focused on Quality Control instead of
fancy new things. Well, how can Apple expect any VO user that they
seriously test VO when safari on a lot of websites is absolutely
unusable. It is great that VO seems to be much snappier but with it
constantly crashing and turning on and off it is unusable, and I am
finding the same issue in chrome on the same websites so it is definitely VO.
Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read
things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you
will constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back
down again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe
that Apple should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just
do not care about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again.
On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and
sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of
the operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first.
On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is why I have Rolled back to Yosemite.
These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the
Mac back in 2010.
Won't be updating until a update comes out to address these problems.
Yours truly,
Sadam Ahmed
Sent from my iPhone
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On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta? I
confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there
since I finally got successfully updated. How are people getting
around this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays
with computers? Are folks just using Crome instead? What about
Webkit? Is it any better?
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
Hi,
Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst experience
I’ve ever had while using OS X.
On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
Hello.
Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library catalogue.
Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari is broken?
Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or for Talking
books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps saying
dialogue. Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due course so
I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it when I tried
it on the I phone 6 Plus. Now I am using the 6 Plus S wonder if it
will improve.
I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it back
to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite. I apologise if I have
misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright.
Thanks.
Kawal.
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