The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes with 
the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small windows lap 
top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there was better 
Braille sufport on the Mac. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about the 
> only way we'll get any progress.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guy,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the next 
>> version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original novice 
>> concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. 
>> 
>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has posted 
>> about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO users on the 
>> mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. Thankfully I will be 
>> rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more backups. Seriously, I 
>> love Apple, but you got to call them out when they shit the bed and El 
>> Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El Capitan were going to be 
>> focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new things. Well, how can Apple 
>> expect any VO user that they seriously test VO when safari on a lot of 
>> websites is absolutely unusable. It is great that VO seems to be much 
>> snappier but with it constantly crashing and turning on and off it is 
>> unusable, and I am finding the same issue in chrome on the same websites so 
>> it is definitely VO.
>> 
>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read 
>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will 
>> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down again 
>> to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that Apple should 
>> fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not care about the 
>> quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again.
>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and 
>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of the 
>>> operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first.
>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is why I have Rolled back  to Yosemite. 
>>>> 
>>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the Mac 
>>>> back in 2010. 
>>>> 
>>>> Won't be updating until a  update comes out to address these problems. 
>>>> 
>>>> Yours truly, 
>>>> 
>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta?  I 
>>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there 
>>>>> since I finally got successfully updated.  How are people getting around 
>>>>> this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays with 
>>>>> computers?  Are folks just using Crome instead?  What about Webkit?  Is 
>>>>> it any better?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst experience 
>>>>> I’ve ever had while using OS X.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library catalogue. 
>>>>>> Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari is broken?  
>>>>>> Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or for Talking 
>>>>>> books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps saying dialogue. 
>>>>>>  Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due course so I hope it’s 
>>>>>> been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it when I tried it on the I 
>>>>>> phone 6 Plus.  Now I am using the 6 Plus S wonder if it will improve.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it back 
>>>>>> to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite.  I apologise if I have 
>>>>>> misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>> 
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