Just wanted to throw in my two cents worth to say that ever since Yosemite, I have also had that intermittant issue with e-mail messages not reading when you open them. Yeah, you can hit vo+J from the message list table, but I'm old school. I prefer literally openning the message with the return key. Call me weird, but that's that. LOL! So, just wanted to acknowledge that you're not alone on that one bug. I've seen it too, and hate it!

Chris.

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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here


Hi Mary,

The one that bugs me the most on a day-to-day basis is the one pertaining to mail messages. It's very rare that I open a message and just get to read it. I very often have to open and close it several times.

there were others I noticed, I think pertaining to the Safari busy. and having to show and hide the reader a couple of times. But the mail one is the bug that really drives me crazy.
Take care,
Donna

On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Donna,
I would be curious which of Alex's bugs you experienced in Yosemite. Some of the ones I recall reading on his list I am certainly not experiencing, and those are some of the more serious ones. Audio ducking doesn't much concern me. But the web stuff, getting stuck on webpages, the problems with the neuance etc., those do concern me a lot.
Mary

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On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:45 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I finally had a minute to read Alex's bugs list. I thought it worth mentioning that many of those bugs are bugs I'm currently experiencing in Yosemite. so, while I confess I was hoping they would be fixed in el Capitán, these are not new bugs, just old ones that didn't get fixed.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi all,
Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug list for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there are some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links:

Bug List:
http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor

New Features Blog:
http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users

New Features Podcast:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan

I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a little arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people a single place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the only accessibility-centric sources I know of for now.

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Have a great day,
Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.com

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