I thank you Cara for addressing this list. I have been on this list since 2010 and have always appreciated any help that people have given me. I for one would be very sorry if this list closed and hence wish to thank you for your continued support of this list regardless of your recent situation.
May all get sorted out for you. Kawal. On 28 Aug 2015, at 15:50, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote: Cara, Very well said, I for one thank you for the great work you put through the group and the help you give others. I joined the list because i am very new to the mac world of products and am glad to finally find a list that could be of some help. If i may ask what version of OSX did you start out on? Again thanks a lot Cara for the time you have put out to help everyone with their mac problems and the other things you do for others. I will be praying for you and your family. God Bless you. On 8/28/2015 2:50 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Hello All, > > I felt I needed to send this along to clear some air, respond to some > comments and address some assumptions which seem to be going around in regard > to this list and my list involvement in the current situation and over the > past few months. > > Firstly, I only mentioned my current situation with my loved one simply to be > open and honest about exactly why it is that I am not able to address matters > more quickly. That is the *only* reason. The list situation has been so > volatile that I felt you all deserve this and that it was only fair of me. > > Secondly, I was in no way lecturing any of you on what you should be doing or > holding anyone here to any higher of a standard than I would consider holding > myself. So if my note came off like that, then please understand this was not > at all my intention. I simply meant to suggest a way to quell the current > list tide until I can more appropriately address these important issues. > > In addition, many of you seem to be under the assumption that I do not pay > any attention whatsoever to this list and that there is no moderation going > on here at all. This is simply not the case. There is, and has been someone > who has been kind enough to help manage whatever aspects of the list they > can, when they can. So the idea that I somehow do not care or have not been > considerate of this list is simply and completely incorrect. > > I also check in on this list every couple of days. I do not read every single > post, but I do read some and I do skim as well. Since as I’ve said above, > there has been moderation behind the scenes, I felt this was appropriate. > > Since I did miss a serious issue, it is obviously not. So as I have mentioned > before, I am currently deciding on additional moderators to assist. > > Make no mistake, as CJ has mentioned, if any list member here is shown any > kind of abuse through this list, it matters to me very deeply. The fact that > I did not know this was going on does not mean I do not care or that I do not > pay any attention here. I simply missed this in my checks of the list. This > does not mean I do not view this as my responsibility. On the contrary, I > take full responsibility for this. However, it does mean that I am a human > being and do miss things from time to time. It is, and always has been > extremely important to me that any list I moderate be a safe place for every > member on it. I take this very seriously. This is very deep to who I am. > -And, as I have already said, I am deeply sorry for the kind of insanity that > has happened here. > > Having said this, I feel it is important for me to ask that you please > understand, I am also not a service that people are entitled to, I am a > person and as such, have a life and will occasionally miss things that go on > here. Now, I am not saying that you all feel this way, but there are > certainly some who seem to. I will try (as I have always done here) to do the > best I can for this list. > > Understand that I get absolutely no compensation of any kind for the running > of this list, and am lucky if I ever have received more than two thank you > notes per year, every year that I have worked with this list, even at its > best of times. I certainly get my share of demands, criticism, questions, > help requests and general comments. This is fine, I expect this but please > realize that this is, and has always been simply a labor of love so to speak. > > I do very much view the running of this list and my others as my > responsibility. I care very deeply about helping this community so this sort > of thing affects me more than you may realize. Some have also accused me of > some sort of power trip by still being this list’s owner. Firstly, no one has > asked me for list ownership and secondly, though this is a community, and as > Jonathan has mentioned, a brand, this is, at the end of the day, simply a > mailing list. This is not some sort of power trip to me. Yes, I can assist > you all in keeping this community going, but as I have said before, it is you > who keep this community going. I can only assist you all. You are the > community and I am a member of it just like you. This mailing list is merely > a vehicle for you the community to express yourselves and I can assist. Our > community means a lot to me so I feel this list is a very important resource. > > I am not sure how much clearer or more honest I can be. I will apologize once > again and simply say that this matters to me whether it seems like it or not. > > As I have said, I will address what list issues I can now, (like getting > another mod) and address any others as soon as time allows on my end. > > Let me close by saying how much I appreciate your understanding and support > and your taking time to read this. > > I wish you and yours, a lovely day / evening. (wherever you may be) Talk with > you all soon… > > Sincerely, > > Cara > On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:17 AM, CJ Daniel <cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Cara, > > As someone who once held his own child while she passed, I can sympathize > with your distress as you face end-of-life issues with a friend. > However, as I learned during a similar time of my own, life goes on. In > particular, I had to continue dealing with the day-to-day aspects of my job @ > a busy non-profit organization & delegate responsibilities to others as > required. > > However, all of that being said, I don’t believe that the level of > frustration, being experienced by the majority of this list’s members, is > either understood or being acted upon by you or any other moderator. In > addition, I don’t feel that a lecture on maturity or the usage of the delete > key is warranted or appropriate. You are in effect calling the well-behaved > members of this list to higher standards, while asking them to ignore or > overlook the poor behavior of the individual who has chosen to ignore polite > conventions that help to govern the interactions of society. Honestly, some > of the posts I’ve seen by this individual directed a while back @ one of the > ladies on this list, if directed @ my wife or one of my daughters, would have > been cause for a swift & violent physical reaction. > > In short, while I feel deeply for you, the situation on this list has been > ignored for far to long & is snow-balling. The, kind & considerate members > of this list are, basically, pleading with you to either appoint a moderator > who will act on these sorts of issues or—if life’s circumstances are > preventing your full participation in this list’s activities—then relinquish > ownership to some one who has the time & where-with-all to make a positive > difference. I hope you can understand that all of this is offered with > compassion towards you. > > With great regard, > > CJ Daniel > > >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> firstly, this list is not going to die. >> >> Now, to be completely frank and honest with you all. I have been in the >> hospital for days now, visiting with a very dear one to me, who is passing >> away. >> >> So honestly, I cannot address any of these matters right now. >> >> The fact is, you are all adults and you know enough to ignore posts or >> posters who simply want (for whatever reason) to incite or stir the pot so >> to speak. >> >> So if there is a message you do not wish to read, or do not agree with, just >> delete it and move on. This is the adult thing to do. >> >> Neither a list owner or moderator are magic people who make everything >> alright. Yes, we can ban people, etc, but in the end, this comes down to you >> all managing yourselves in a way which you all are proud of. >> >> that is what makes this list worth something. >> >> So if you feel this list is a resource you wish to preserve and help to >> grow, as you have been doing now for years, then just simply act in >> accordance with those beliefs which you know to be right and the rest will >> follow. >> >> I promise you, I will address this more fully when I can. I am sure (or at >> least would hope) that in light of these circumstances, that you would >> understand. >> >> My sincerest apologies that there have been issues of late. Some of these >> are actually being dealt with already, in the background, but the fact that >> this topic exists says that you need more. >> >> I will do more as soon as I can. >> >> For now, please use your own good judgement and simply act as you know you >> should, and this list will be the kind and helping place that it has been. >> >> Thank you all for reading this and I will be in touch again soon. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Cara >> --- >> iOS design and development - LookTel.com >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Just wondering after reading all the messages of whether this list should be >> or not be, is this list going to continue or is it going to die? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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