No, I didn’t mean it was available for the Mac. I just meant that when a braille display with Apple devices, Bard Mobile for IOS devices is the only one that I personally have seen that takes out the control m and control j characters when reading on a braille display. I realized later what I had written when I mentioned Bard Mobile.
Gigi > On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Bard mobile's available for the Mac? Wo! baby! Do tell, do tell! > > Chris. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Eugenia Firth <mailto:gigifi...@me.com> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display! >> >> OK Chris I am going to take into account that you are super frustrated, so >> if I get this wrong again, please don't yell at me again. Now, if I >> understand what your message says, and I did read all that this time, I >> don't believe that you can change this. I have been trying to change this >> since 2011. It sounds like you are seeing the control m followed by the >> control Jay. If you ever figure out how to do this, please let me know >> because I have been trying to get rid of them also. Whenever I do use my Mac >> with the braille display, I have just learned to ignore it. >> >> The only program that I have found that gets rid of them is in Bard mobile >> whenever you read a BRF file. I seem to remember that you said you didn't >> find it in pages, and if that's true, I believe that may be something new. >> The last time I tried to use pages with the braille display writing just >> texted not a table, I saw the same control characters. >> >> Gigi Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com >> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> GG, >>> >>> Did you read my message in its entirety? With all due respect, the issue >>> has not the slightest thing to do with the display not being recognized. >>> That's not even remotely! close to the problem I'm having, and the display >>> has already been detached. It was never attached in the first place. >>> >>> If it had been, I wouldn't have been able to use it effectively in the >>> first regard. >>> >>> Please go back and re-read my msg again from beginning to end. I'm not >>> trying to be rude purposely, if that's how I'm coning across, but it just >>> seems strange that you'd write this when detaching it is no different than >>> having a guitarest drive a yellow pokodotted motocycle through a swimming >>> pool... in other words, I don't comprehend the rellavence, especially being >>> it's already done, and has been so from the start. >>> >>> Please don't read between the lines! I'm extremely grateful for your >>> effort to help. I just don't see the connection. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Eugenia Firth <mailto:gigifi...@me.com> >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display! >>>> >>>> Hi there >>>> You need to take the braille display off the PacMate. Look under itand >>>> find the release key. This should result in taking the braille display off >>>> the PacMate, at least it does on BX PacMate. Then you need a USB cable, >>>> and you can plug the USB cable into the braille display and the other end >>>> into the Mac. Hopefully, when you do this, VoiceOver will recognize the >>>> PacMate display. It did the last time I plugged in a PacMate display. It >>>> better because I still have one that I want to use in an emergency. It >>>> doesn’t do Bluetooth, by the way, so forget it on an iOS device. >>>> >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Guys, >>>>> >>>>> I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here! So >>>>> is my friend. >>>>> >>>>> I never ever have ever used a braille display before. My friend who flew >>>>> down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate >>>>> QX 40 original USB braille display. This is not the up to date display. >>>>> It's only the classic model. He got it in 2004 if that helps. >>>>> >>>>> I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite >>>>> 10.10.4. This is not a public beta or the like. This is the official >>>>> available up to date release. I have also pulled the EFI firmware update >>>>> that just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, >>>>> although, even before doing so, I still saw this issue. >>>>> >>>>> I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, >>>>> therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled. >>>>> >>>>> In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the >>>>> Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this >>>>> issue. >>>>> >>>>> I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my >>>>> friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good. >>>>> >>>>> The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich >>>>> text, or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns >>>>> throughout the file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return >>>>> code on the display. >>>>> >>>>> So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit >>>>> return to make a new line. >>>>> >>>>> Then on the next line of text, I write: >>>>> My name is Chris. >>>>> >>>>> OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are >>>>> in uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see. Note >>>>> to nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look >>>>> very strange: >>>>> >>>>> ,hello1 my "n is ,*ris4 >>>>> >>>>> However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see >>>>> the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8. >>>>> Just to further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move >>>>> the literal text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of >>>>> text with command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots >>>>> 7 and 8 now turns into two cells. Both have dots 7 8 under them. >>>>> Basically, now, instead of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and >>>>> 4,) followed by the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5.) >>>>> >>>>> So in other words, instead of seeing: >>>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> My name is Chris. >>>>> >>>>> I see: >>>>> >>>>> cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris. >>>>> >>>>> All of that on one line of text. Move to the end of the line with the >>>>> word hello, and then it goes to: >>>>> >>>>> Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris. >>>>> >>>>> Again, all on one line. No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7 >>>>> and 8 as the blinking cursor. That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, >>>>> which is to the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under >>>>> the dot 6 capital sign. >>>>> >>>>> I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling >>>>> and disabling dot 7 8 braille. NO good. >>>>> >>>>> I've tried English US, and also have tried English Unified in Braille on >>>>> Voiceover Utility in the language popup button. They both are producing >>>>> this issue. >>>>> >>>>> I've rebooted the mac. NO good. I've unplugged and replugged the USB >>>>> cord both from the mac side, and from the display side. I've swapped out >>>>> the USB cable, and that didn't work either. >>>>> >>>>> I've thrown the thing across the room and then paid him back ten grand. >>>>> LOL! Only kidding on that one! I feel like I could! though? >>>>> >>>>> I called Apple Accessibility, 1-877-204-3930, Option 2 from IVR, and they >>>>> were stumped beyond belief! My friend using a white Polycarbon macbook >>>>> mid 2010, 13 inch also on Yosemite 10.10.4 official release is not having >>>>> this issue. >>>>> >>>>> We've looked in Text Edit's preferences, and compared our settings. All >>>>> are 100% identical. I've reset my settings. NO good. I'm totally out >>>>> of possibilities. I think Pages calls these things the display is >>>>> showing, "Invisibles." Pages isn't having this issue though. It is >>>>> *only!* doing it in Text Edit. My friend isn't having this issue at all. >>>>> Not even! in Text Edit. This isn't an assumption either. We very >>>>> concreetly tried it, and sure enough. It's not occurring on his system. >>>>> >>>>> The only thing I've not done is to delete the .plist file associated with >>>>> Text Edit. I'm not sure though where that file would be exactly, nor >>>>> what it would be called. I'm sure I could find it easily enough, but >>>>> I've not gone that far just quite yet. >>>>> >>>>> Aside that though, I am totally out of options! >>>>> >>>>> I've even looked under Accessibility within System Prefs, but see >>>>> absolutely nothing rellavent. >>>>> >>>>> Please please! can someone help before I go insane over here trying to >>>>> figure this out, or put my friend in a mental institution? 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