Bard mobile's available for the Mac? Wo! baby! Do tell, do tell!
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eugenia Firth
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
OK Chris I am going to take into account that you are super frustrated, so if
I get this wrong again, please don't yell at me again. Now, if I understand
what your message says, and I did read all that this time, I don't believe that
you can change this. I have been trying to change this since 2011. It sounds
like you are seeing the control m followed by the control Jay. If you ever
figure out how to do this, please let me know because I have been trying to get
rid of them also. Whenever I do use my Mac with the braille display, I have
just learned to ignore it.
The only program that I have found that gets rid of them is in Bard mobile
whenever you read a BRF file. I seem to remember that you said you didn't find
it in pages, and if that's true, I believe that may be something new. The last
time I tried to use pages with the braille display writing just texted not a
table, I saw the same control characters.
Gigi Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
GG,
Did you read my message in its entirety? With all due respect, the issue
has not the slightest thing to do with the display not being recognized.
That's not even remotely! close to the problem I'm having, and the display has
already been detached. It was never attached in the first place.
If it had been, I wouldn't have been able to use it effectively in the
first regard.
Please go back and re-read my msg again from beginning to end. I'm not
trying to be rude purposely, if that's how I'm coning across, but it just seems
strange that you'd write this when detaching it is no different than having a
guitarest drive a yellow pokodotted motocycle through a swimming pool... in
other words, I don't comprehend the rellavence, especially being it's already
done, and has been so from the start.
Please don't read between the lines! I'm extremely grateful for your
effort to help. I just don't see the connection.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eugenia Firth
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
Hi there
You need to take the braille display off the PacMate. Look under itand
find the release key. This should result in taking the braille display off the
PacMate, at least it does on BX PacMate. Then you need a USB cable, and you can
plug the USB cable into the braille display and the other end into the Mac.
Hopefully, when you do this, VoiceOver will recognize the PacMate display. It
did the last time I plugged in a PacMate display. It better because I still
have one that I want to use in an emergency. It doesn’t do Bluetooth, by the
way, so forget it on an iOS device.
Gigi
On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!
So is my friend.
I never ever have ever used a braille display before. My friend who
flew down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX
40 original USB braille display. This is not the up to date display. It's
only the classic model. He got it in 2004 if that helps.
I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running
Yosemite 10.10.4. This is not a public beta or the like. This is the official
available up to date release. I have also pulled the EFI firmware update that
just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, even
before doing so, I still saw this issue.
I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille,
therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.
In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the
Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.
I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my
friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.
The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich
text, or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout
the file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.
So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:
Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit
return to make a new line.
Then on the next line of text, I write:
My name is Chris.
OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you
are in uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see. Note
to nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very
strange:
,hello1 my "n is ,*ris4
However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I
see the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.
Just to further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the
literal text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with
command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now
turns into two cells. Both have dots 7 8 under them. Basically, now, instead
of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the letter j,
(dots 2, 4, and 5.)
So in other words, instead of seeing:
Hello
My name is Chris.
I see:
cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.
All of that on one line of text. Move to the end of the line with the
word hello, and then it goes to:
Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris.
Again, all on one line. No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7
and 8 as the blinking cursor. That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, which
is to the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under the dot 6
capital sign.
I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling
and disabling dot 7 8 braille. NO good.
I've tried English US, and also have tried English Unified in Braille
on Voiceover Utility in the language popup button. They both are producing
this issue.
I've rebooted the mac. NO good. I've unplugged and replugged the USB
cord both from the mac side, and from the display side. I've swapped out the
USB cable, and that didn't work either.
I've thrown the thing across the room and then paid him back ten grand.
LOL! Only kidding on that one! I feel like I could! though?
I called Apple Accessibility, 1-877-204-3930, Option 2 from IVR, and
they were stumped beyond belief! My friend using a white Polycarbon macbook
mid 2010, 13 inch also on Yosemite 10.10.4 official release is not having this
issue.
We've looked in Text Edit's preferences, and compared our settings.
All are 100% identical. I've reset my settings. NO good. I'm totally out of
possibilities. I think Pages calls these things the display is showing,
"Invisibles." Pages isn't having this issue though. It is *only!* doing it in
Text Edit. My friend isn't having this issue at all. Not even! in Text Edit.
This isn't an assumption either. We very concreetly tried it, and sure enough.
It's not occurring on his system.
The only thing I've not done is to delete the .plist file associated
with Text Edit. I'm not sure though where that file would be exactly, nor what
it would be called. I'm sure I could find it easily enough, but I've not gone
that far just quite yet.
Aside that though, I am totally out of options!
I've even looked under Accessibility within System Prefs, but see
absolutely nothing rellavent.
Please please! can someone help before I go insane over here trying to
figure this out, or put my friend in a mental institution? LOL!
Chris.
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