Chris, I would be in favor of such a list. Marshall On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> > Hi, > > Since SL hit the streets on Friday there has been a bit of chatter on > this and other general purpose VO/Mac related lists about AppleScript > and other programming tools and issues. I like reading these because > I'm a crusty old hacker with deep running geek tendencies; on the > other hand, I would bet that most people really don't care as they > will never attempt to write a program or a VO script. > > I encourage everyone to do some sort of beginner programming tutorial > as just writing one or two very simple programs will help them > understand how and why computers do the things they do. Such will > also build affinity for the other application developers and the gang > at Apple who bring us VO which will help one learn to be patient when > your favorite bug gets ignored for a pretty long time. > > With that said, though, I would assume that the average person really > doesn't want to touch on programming in a system language or do any > scripting. Furthermore, they probably don't want to read what can > look like Chinese to the uninitiated. > > So, I propose an apple-hackers list for those of us who like a little > silicon under the fingernails so we can share ideas, techniques and > lend each other code so as to promote development and avoid wasting > time. Anything I do will be GPL so people can download it from SVN > on hofstader.com > (when I get it set up) and others will have their own ways of > distributing things. > > This has worked for the JAWS scripting and programming blind mailing > lists for over a decade and we members of one or both of them have had > the enjoyment of watching high school hackers go onto get a degree and > enter the workforce partially because we old-timers smack them around > a bit while pointing them in the right direction. > > The reason I don't recommend programming blind for us Macsters is that > it is almost 100% Windows and GNU/Linux people there and a sudden > invasion of Mac people might make some people pretty uncomfortable as > we're adding an entirely new platform to the mix and they neither know > the answers nor, in most cases, have a Mac around to help us with our > problem. > > What do you folks think? > > cdh > > Less than 1/2 cups... > > On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> >> XCode is an Integrated Development Environment for writing Mac OS X >> and iPhone applications. It has nothing whatsoever to do with X11, >> and >> is indeed quite accessible with VoiceOver. >> >> On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:34 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Xcode is for the X11 windowing manager and tools which are Unix/ >>> Linux tools >>> and not accessible with VO. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: apple script and vo >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> install x code >>>> On 1 Sep 2009, at 16:32, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> no developers tools, there was an optional install but x code was >>>>> the >>>>> only thing there. very confusing. lol >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps it is an optional install in SL? try putting in the >>>>>> install >>>>>> DVD maybe under developer tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let us know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> permissions was set to system but it says there are no items in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> folder. hmm, how could I fix this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Permission problem maybe? In general unix, if the "X" >>>>>>>> permission is >>>>>>>> not set on a directory one can not navigate to it. Use command- >>>>>>>> i on >>>>>>>> the directory and see what that says... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> that's the thing, I can't even find the apple script editor. >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is in my apps folder is a folder called apple script and I >>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>> this folder no matter what I do. used to be able to in >>>>>>>>> leopard, >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> SL. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, you need to use the scripteditor to edit your apple >>>>>>>>>> scripts. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there a specific function you are interested in? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A very basic apple script is: >>>>>>>>>> tell application "Mail" >>>>>>>>>> activate >>>>>>>>>> end tell >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> These three lines would start the mail application and make >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> current application. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, I want to use apple script to set up some options on the >>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>> commander. 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