Absolute beginners can be the core of such a list as their questions often strike a spark in an old-timer's thought process which can lead to some really good ideas that one hadn't considered before because, like people in any profession, we can get stuck in our ways.
Also, I think their is a lack of AppleScript and VO hackers out there - maybe as few as five or so - providing a place where people can get help and help each other out will help build those roles and, given the imagination of such a group we might be able to do some really amazing things. cdh On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:56 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > I think this is an excellent idea. However, I am not a programmer > although I > am very interested in computers etc. Would there be room on the list > for > complete beginners? > > Thanks > > James > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Hofstader" <c...@hofstader.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:26 PM > Subject: Another List? was: Re: apple script and vo > > >> >> Hi, >> >> Since SL hit the streets on Friday there has been a bit of chatter on >> this and other general purpose VO/Mac related lists about >> AppleScript >> and other programming tools and issues. I like reading these because >> I'm a crusty old hacker with deep running geek tendencies; on the >> other hand, I would bet that most people really don't care as they >> will never attempt to write a program or a VO script. >> >> I encourage everyone to do some sort of beginner programming tutorial >> as just writing one or two very simple programs will help them >> understand how and why computers do the things they do. Such will >> also build affinity for the other application developers and the gang >> at Apple who bring us VO which will help one learn to be patient when >> your favorite bug gets ignored for a pretty long time. >> >> With that said, though, I would assume that the average person really >> doesn't want to touch on programming in a system language or do any >> scripting. Furthermore, they probably don't want to read what can >> look like Chinese to the uninitiated. >> >> So, I propose an apple-hackers list for those of us who like a little >> silicon under the fingernails so we can share ideas, techniques and >> lend each other code so as to promote development and avoid wasting >> time. Anything I do will be GPL so people can download it from SVN >> on >> hofstader.com >> (when I get it set up) and others will have their own ways of >> distributing things. >> >> This has worked for the JAWS scripting and programming blind mailing >> lists for over a decade and we members of one or both of them have >> had >> the enjoyment of watching high school hackers go onto get a degree >> and >> enter the workforce partially because we old-timers smack them around >> a bit while pointing them in the right direction. >> >> The reason I don't recommend programming blind for us Macsters is >> that >> it is almost 100% Windows and GNU/Linux people there and a sudden >> invasion of Mac people might make some people pretty uncomfortable as >> we're adding an entirely new platform to the mix and they neither >> know >> the answers nor, in most cases, have a Mac around to help us with our >> problem. >> >> What do you folks think? >> >> cdh >> >> Less than 1/2 cups... >> >> On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> XCode is an Integrated Development Environment for writing Mac OS X >>> and iPhone applications. It has nothing whatsoever to do with X11, >>> and >>> is indeed quite accessible with VoiceOver. >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:34 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Xcode is for the X11 windowing manager and tools which are Unix/ >>>> Linux tools >>>> and not accessible with VO. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: apple script and vo >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> install x code >>>>> On 1 Sep 2009, at 16:32, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> no developers tools, there was an optional install but x code was >>>>>> the >>>>>> only thing there. very confusing. lol >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps it is an optional install in SL? try putting in the >>>>>>> install >>>>>>> DVD maybe under developer tools. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let us know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> permissions was set to system but it says there are no items in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> folder. hmm, how could I fix this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Permission problem maybe? In general unix, if the "X" >>>>>>>>> permission is >>>>>>>>> not set on a directory one can not navigate to it. Use >>>>>>>>> command- >>>>>>>>> i on >>>>>>>>> the directory and see what that says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that's the thing, I can't even find the apple script editor. >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> is in my apps folder is a folder called apple script and I >>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>> this folder no matter what I do. used to be able to in >>>>>>>>>> leopard, >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> SL. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello, you need to use the scripteditor to edit your apple >>>>>>>>>>> scripts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a specific function you are interested in? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A very basic apple script is: >>>>>>>>>>> tell application "Mail" >>>>>>>>>>> activate >>>>>>>>>>> end tell >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These three lines would start the mail application and >>>>>>>>>>> make it >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> current application. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I want to use apple script to set up some options on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>> commander. But how do I do that? apple script is a folder >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>> matter what I do, I canot get to open. it takes me back to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> devices >>>>>>>>>>>> in sidebar for some odd reason, no matter how I try to open >>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> help would be greatly appreciated. I want to take advantage >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>> apple script with VO to set up commands, but not sure how >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>> any help would be great :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
