let us know please, when and if, such a list is set up smile On 2 Sep 2009, at 13:24, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> > Absolute beginners can be the core of such a list as their questions > often strike a spark in an old-timer's thought process which can lead > to some really good ideas that one hadn't considered before because, > like people in any profession, we can get stuck in our ways. > > Also, I think their is a lack of AppleScript and VO hackers out there > - maybe as few as five or so - providing a place where people can get > help and help each other out will help build those roles and, given > the imagination of such a group we might be able to do some really > amazing things. > > cdh > On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:56 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> I think this is an excellent idea. However, I am not a programmer >> although I >> am very interested in computers etc. Would there be room on the list >> for >> complete beginners? >> >> Thanks >> >> James >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Hofstader" <c...@hofstader.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:26 PM >> Subject: Another List? was: Re: apple script and vo >> >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Since SL hit the streets on Friday there has been a bit of chatter >>> on >>> this and other general purpose VO/Mac related lists about >>> AppleScript >>> and other programming tools and issues. I like reading these >>> because >>> I'm a crusty old hacker with deep running geek tendencies; on the >>> other hand, I would bet that most people really don't care as they >>> will never attempt to write a program or a VO script. >>> >>> I encourage everyone to do some sort of beginner programming >>> tutorial >>> as just writing one or two very simple programs will help them >>> understand how and why computers do the things they do. Such will >>> also build affinity for the other application developers and the >>> gang >>> at Apple who bring us VO which will help one learn to be patient >>> when >>> your favorite bug gets ignored for a pretty long time. >>> >>> With that said, though, I would assume that the average person >>> really >>> doesn't want to touch on programming in a system language or do any >>> scripting. Furthermore, they probably don't want to read what can >>> look like Chinese to the uninitiated. >>> >>> So, I propose an apple-hackers list for those of us who like a >>> little >>> silicon under the fingernails so we can share ideas, techniques and >>> lend each other code so as to promote development and avoid wasting >>> time. Anything I do will be GPL so people can download it from SVN >>> on >>> hofstader.com >>> (when I get it set up) and others will have their own ways of >>> distributing things. >>> >>> This has worked for the JAWS scripting and programming blind mailing >>> lists for over a decade and we members of one or both of them have >>> had >>> the enjoyment of watching high school hackers go onto get a degree >>> and >>> enter the workforce partially because we old-timers smack them >>> around >>> a bit while pointing them in the right direction. >>> >>> The reason I don't recommend programming blind for us Macsters is >>> that >>> it is almost 100% Windows and GNU/Linux people there and a sudden >>> invasion of Mac people might make some people pretty uncomfortable >>> as >>> we're adding an entirely new platform to the mix and they neither >>> know >>> the answers nor, in most cases, have a Mac around to help us with >>> our >>> problem. >>> >>> What do you folks think? >>> >>> cdh >>> >>> Less than 1/2 cups... >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> XCode is an Integrated Development Environment for writing Mac OS X >>>> and iPhone applications. It has nothing whatsoever to do with X11, >>>> and >>>> is indeed quite accessible with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:34 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Xcode is for the X11 windowing manager and tools which are Unix/ >>>>> Linux tools >>>>> and not accessible with VO. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: apple script and vo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> install x code >>>>>> On 1 Sep 2009, at 16:32, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> no developers tools, there was an optional install but x code >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> only thing there. very confusing. lol >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps it is an optional install in SL? try putting in the >>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>> DVD maybe under developer tools. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let us know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> permissions was set to system but it says there are no items >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> folder. hmm, how could I fix this? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Permission problem maybe? In general unix, if the "X" >>>>>>>>>> permission is >>>>>>>>>> not set on a directory one can not navigate to it. Use >>>>>>>>>> command- >>>>>>>>>> i on >>>>>>>>>> the directory and see what that says... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that's the thing, I can't even find the apple script editor. >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> is in my apps folder is a folder called apple script and I >>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>> this folder no matter what I do. used to be able to in >>>>>>>>>>> leopard, >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> SL. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, you need to use the scripteditor to edit your apple >>>>>>>>>>>> scripts. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a specific function you are interested in? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A very basic apple script is: >>>>>>>>>>>> tell application "Mail" >>>>>>>>>>>> activate >>>>>>>>>>>> end tell >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> These three lines would start the mail application and >>>>>>>>>>>> make it >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> current application. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I want to use apple script to set up some options on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>> commander. But how do I do that? apple script is a folder >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>> matter what I do, I canot get to open. it takes me back to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> devices >>>>>>>>>>>>> in sidebar for some odd reason, no matter how I try to >>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>> help would be greatly appreciated. I want to take >>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>> apple script with VO to set up commands, but not sure how >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> any help would be great :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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