all will be revealed i am sure in september :) On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:17, James & Nash wrote:
> > We will just have to wait and see, but if they are not, at least we > can get > the Accapella voices. Although I wonder if we will be able to switch > between > voices in a single user session. Will we need to create two separate > accounts? One for French and one for English? > > James > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> we don't even know if they are to be included. if and i mean if they >> were, they will be i assume the ones that are on the ipod shuffle and >> the i phone >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:09, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Justin, >>> >>> Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers >>> please? >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Justin Harford" <blindst...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true >>>> that >>>> it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention >>>> that >>>> the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. >>>> Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other >>>> language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean >>>> just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now >>>> possible >>>> to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages >>>> including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, >>>> Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle >>>> also >>>> has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. >>>> >>>> Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting >>>> that >>>> the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language >>>> localization, >>>> but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it >>>> won't >>>> be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex >>>> is >>>> going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers >>>> will be like those on the iPhone. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Justin Harford >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are >>>>> fantastic >>>>> voices >>>>> but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic >>>>> languages >>>>> etc included by default. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>>>> will >>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" <simon.cavend...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safari or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiley : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issued >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any answers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud <cldren...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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