> Hello once again.
I can't reply to all. I can read with my eyes not even one of you agreed with any of my arguments (not speaking of the thesis). I only want to point out that many counter- arguments where correct but quite off-topic, many where correct but weak, the most strong ones were based on misundestanding of what I wanted to express (my bad english being the 1st responsible, of course), the most deep were just opinions, while I found most interesting what Stefano said (sorry, he's the only fellow Italian) and when it pointed out the "gap" feeling. I will not speak of FORA (I have no doubt that Rich after hearing a female choir performance always shout loud the italian word "Brave!" rather than "Bravi", "Brava" or "Bravo" ;) ) cause this transcend. I will not get philosophical, or I'll try. I'll reply to Manveru. > Don't feel offended, but I think LyX was not designed for children. Do not > understand me wrong, but I am using Internet for 13 years and I know that > news groups and lists have veeery looong tradition. Are there was times when > even children uses them. Today we have the era of Web 2.0, but this does not > mean that everything should be available by the the web. Personally forums > are not my favourite way of discussion, they are fine for advetising. Mail > lists are not ideal too, as often I receive lot of infomation I do not need > - but in case of LyX it teach me a lot. Of course about children, I was pointing out that forums are VERY simple. And it's exactly what I was trying to explain: the list concept is VERY old (whatever this means). Yes, also e-mail is old, and almost every single human being uses it, but my 19-years old sister last week told me she doesn't care about e-mail since he has her favourite Web 2.0 communication basis: I find it terrible, but it is 2009 REALITY. (and BTW, speaking of intelligence/culture, I think my sister stays in the upper 5% of her age). > > Backing to the "children" subject, I want to tell you that I was a witness > of specific change in the Internet itself in about 1999. In Poland that time > new service from our "national" telecom operation become available - it > allows to call to the internet by modem for the price of connection only. It > was a revolution, beacause large number of people get wide access to "the > global village", mainly childrens. The level of discussion on medias like > maillists and IRC quickly has gone very low. Today we - all veterans of > Internet in Poland - call these people "childrens of neostrada", as they > still represent low level of discussion and culture. Nestrada - for you > information - is the name of another service from "national operator sold to > France Telecom" based on ADSL... I think this do not need more comment. > As a poor Włoski I don't know everything about this little people making noise in the internet, which is a serious thing. But perhaps you agree with this, although is not about the internet: “Elegance, purity, measure, which were the principles of our art, had gradually surrended to the new style, simple and pretentious, adopted by this times of superficial talent. Brains that, for education and habits, can't think anything other than dresses, fashion, gossip, novel reading and moral corruption, have a hard time to feel more elaborate and less nervous pleasure of science and art.” Don't feel offended, but I don't agree with this, and I'll explain why. In my bare 33 years of age, I learned that I can learn from the poor, the uncultured, the younger. At least, the smallest pieces of great wisdom are to be found in the mechanized habits of the million. To live in the mountain is not to live. The community should spread to as many people as possible, choosing the most popular, the easiest. Being aware of the gap with the younger and trying to understand him is the only way not to grow too old too soon. Saying that neostrada children destroyed everything worth of the internet is perhaps being completely blind in front of the great revolutions the internet (or whatever its name will be) shows us, and is building thanks to THAT uncultured young boy. This revolution just started, and I can't say where it will go. > I miss that times before commercialized Internet. How many of our parents miss the time when Internet didn't exist? How many of our grandfathers missed the time before computers and electronics? How many of our ancestors missed the time before the press, or before writing? And, of course, how many of our older brothers miss the time when LaTeX was just plain LaTeX without WYSIWYG crap? I can't use mailing lists but I believe they are really smart. The last time I installed Thunderbird I think it was beta, but I was already sure I would have never and never save a single mail in my PCs: the future was the WEB and now it's the present, and I stay with the present, if I can't with the future. Full stop. I only can tell you that you should keep your eyes open: faster, wider communication is THE need of the present. I just gave voice to the majority of non-computer-geeks, non-technical/scientific academics which deserve a little more interest from the LaTeX community and most of all from LyX. BTW, the quote (roughly re-translated from italian to english cause local library doesn't own the "Quarterly Musical Magazine and Review of London" of 1825, expecially at 1 a.m.) was a philippic against contemporary 1825 audience in a extremely negative review of the ninth symphony of Beethoven, perhaps the 1st musician who - let's say - used to sell his compositions in the musical "market". He didn't write it, but I'm almost sure the anonimous reviewer missed "that times before commercialized music". Thanks to Manveru and to all for the replies. Regards. Piero
