On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 04:01:28 AM Joel W. Shea via luv-main wrote:
> > Widespread use of DMARC will result in changes to well established
> > conventions. I don't personally object to having the list server
> > rewrite the "From" field and add a "Reply-to" header that designates
> > the original sender; but some people have needs which differ from
> > mine, and for them it can be an inconvenience.
> 
> Yes, it also has the potential to reduce the distributed and
> decentralised nature of email;

Not at all.  The distributed and decentralised part of email is inherently not 
mailing lists.  By definition lists are centralised!

> I.e. if you're not sending via a "reputable" service provider, your mail
> wont get routed. This is antithetical to an open Internet, Internet
> neutrality, and it could also be considered a means of censorship by
> some.

No it just means that you have to use other services.

If you and a bunch of like minded people wanted to have a list where no-one 
used DKIM/DMARC then there's nothing stopping you from doing it.

As for censorship, if you are worried about that then you probably shouldn't 
be using Gmail at all.

> I believe this has also been suggested by others in the past, but went
> nowhere; along with the concept of an "X-Original-Authentication-Result"
> header, although those could be easily forged, and we're back to the
> subjectivity of trust problem.

The real issue is that nothing we agree on matters much if Google and Yahoo 
don't agree.
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