Hi, I am not completely blocked, but I don't want to be partially blocked either.
At least two emails bounced (to two unique destinations) saying we were blacklisted, I cannot tell you how many were blocked and didn't bounce - it will take me days, if ever to know. I will solve your security problems, can't help you with your spam problems - not my expertise. Arik didn't disappear, maybe he has work to do beside answering emails here - I trust Arik to get back to you. On Thursday 24 July 2008 17:06:04 Imri Zvik wrote: > Again, you are putting it as if you are completely blocked and you cannot > send mails at all. Can you please tell me how many of your mails were > blocked due to this listing, and to how many unique destinations? > > Only one person (Arik) complained about actual problem, and when I asked > for information he disappeared. > > It seems you don't really want to solve anything, or suggest any feasible > solutions. > > I ask again - do you think blocking port 25 completely is a good idea? Can > you live with that? How many people in this list thinks it's a good idea? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Noam Rathaus Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:33 PM > To: linux-il > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting [summary and stop] > > Hi, > > My last email on the subject :) > > As it appears that some people are pro-ISP, some are con-ISP, and I don't > care which is which > > All I wanted to see, whether this is a global issue, apparently it is, more > than one is willing to talk about it, I believe others simply don't know > they are blacklisted, others have yet to be affected by it, and others more > don't know they are affected. > > And me as the person wanting to send emails in a non-spam and legal way is > left with the only alternative to move out his servers from Israel - > specifically the mail server - as Israeli ISPs are RBLed - YES YES just one > RBL and he is a bad bad RBL - which asks too many things - but apparently > some ISPs agree to doing it. > > On Thursday 24 July 2008 15:58:42 you wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Noam Rathaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I am taking my "stuff" elsewhere, the ISP's responsibility is to provide > > > > > service, and it should be good service - meaning stopping others from > > > abusing > > > the network, which in turn is used against me - as I am blocked in an > > > RBL. > > > > Let me suggest a radical idea. > > > > I think that it is a good thing that Israel will be blocked in as many > > RBLs as possible. > > > > And here's why. For the people on this list, it's a big deal but not > > critical. I put it to you that most companies will deal with it one way > > or another, by tunneling their ways somehow. I can think of 10 ways right > > now. > > > > The people who will suffer are the "regular users", those who use the ISP > > mailbox (gaaa!) and have zero technical knowhow. There are a lot of them, > > which means that they will make a lot of noise. > > > > The ISPs will then become a relatively unregulated industry that > > apparently doesn't work properly without regulation. It also has a status > > of a quasi-essential infrastructure. I sincerely hope that the regulator > > will step up to the plate and regulate the ISPs and what they need to do > > to spammers, in an effort to make the infrastructure usable again. Maybe > > our star will shine and we'll see some heavy-handed anti-spam law, > > especially if the ISPs respond to regulation by saying the burden is too > > high because spammers don't have an incentive to stop. > > > > So before you start flaming, consider this: Change only happen out of > > necessity. The stronger the necessity - the swifter the change. > > Lithium-ion batteries did not come to be before laptops and cellphones > > became a commodity. Hybrid cars didn't become a reality before gas prices > > went so high that people actually started buying them. And conversly, > > think of Israel's desalination plants - how they come to be whenever > > there's a year or two of draft, and then fall apart at the first sign of > > a rainy year. > > > > And since one of the participants in this discussion at least seems to > > work for an ISP, the same ISP from which I get most of my Hebrew spam, > > the same ISP from which spam contains the header of the ISP's own relay, > > and passes SPF checks, the same ISP which gets messages to the abuse > > alias from me every month and never responds (robots excluded) - I view > > your behaviour as aiding and abetting the spammers. I have proof that the > > addresses the spammers use could never have been gotten from me (heck my > > domain was dictionary-attacked by them), and I hope that you get > > blacklisted as much as possible. I also hope that your users leave you > > for this very reason and that you fail financially, so the spammers have > > to find a less hospitable environ. I wish this ruin on you because you > > are acting, in my personal opinion, in bad faith and in cohorts with the > > sort of people who I would like to see their activity as felonious. I > > hope that once the regulation comes you will continue with your bad > > behaviour as to become the first test case of disobeying the regulation > > and that you shall lose and become the precedent for any other such case. > > You know who you are. > > > > -- Arik -- Noam Rathaus CTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.beyondsecurity.com "Know that you are safe." Beyond Security Finalist for the "Red Herring 100 Global" Awards 2007 ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
