On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Noam Rathaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am taking my "stuff" elsewhere, the ISP's responsibility is to provide > service, and it should be good service - meaning stopping others from > abusing > the network, which in turn is used against me - as I am blocked in an RBL. > Let me suggest a radical idea. I think that it is a good thing that Israel will be blocked in as many RBLs as possible. And here's why. For the people on this list, it's a big deal but not critical. I put it to you that most companies will deal with it one way or another, by tunneling their ways somehow. I can think of 10 ways right now. The people who will suffer are the "regular users", those who use the ISP mailbox (gaaa!) and have zero technical knowhow. There are a lot of them, which means that they will make a lot of noise. The ISPs will then become a relatively unregulated industry that apparently doesn't work properly without regulation. It also has a status of a quasi-essential infrastructure. I sincerely hope that the regulator will step up to the plate and regulate the ISPs and what they need to do to spammers, in an effort to make the infrastructure usable again. Maybe our star will shine and we'll see some heavy-handed anti-spam law, especially if the ISPs respond to regulation by saying the burden is too high because spammers don't have an incentive to stop. So before you start flaming, consider this: Change only happen out of necessity. The stronger the necessity - the swifter the change. Lithium-ion batteries did not come to be before laptops and cellphones became a commodity. Hybrid cars didn't become a reality before gas prices went so high that people actually started buying them. And conversly, think of Israel's desalination plants - how they come to be whenever there's a year or two of draft, and then fall apart at the first sign of a rainy year. And since one of the participants in this discussion at least seems to work for an ISP, the same ISP from which I get most of my Hebrew spam, the same ISP from which spam contains the header of the ISP's own relay, and passes SPF checks, the same ISP which gets messages to the abuse alias from me every month and never responds (robots excluded) - I view your behaviour as aiding and abetting the spammers. I have proof that the addresses the spammers use could never have been gotten from me (heck my domain was dictionary-attacked by them), and I hope that you get blacklisted as much as possible. I also hope that your users leave you for this very reason and that you fail financially, so the spammers have to find a less hospitable environ. I wish this ruin on you because you are acting, in my personal opinion, in bad faith and in cohorts with the sort of people who I would like to see their activity as felonious. I hope that once the regulation comes you will continue with your bad behaviour as to become the first test case of disobeying the regulation and that you shall lose and become the precedent for any other such case. You know who you are. -- Arik
