On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Uri Bruck wrote about "Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site >and linux/mozilla client": > > > 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over- > > > complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers; > > What makes you think this "typical Israeli"? > > Do you have a different experience with your off-shore bank account? > > I'm not talking about back accounts, I'm talking about web sites. I'm talking about web sites too. > > Ever stopped and think why you can't do anything on Orange's site without > Flash? Why HaifaU's site cannot be used (at least when I checked a year > ago) without a browser that supports tons of IE-specific stuff? > > If you ever looked at the evolution of my sendsms code, you'd have noticed > how the the SMS-sending sites become more complicated as the time passes, > without actually getting more features in the process. > > At the same time look at Amazon. Look at Google. Look at CNN. At Yahoo. > All these sites try (don't always succeed, but at least try) to use the > *minimal* number of crazy non-standard features of their page. This has > a lot of benefits: smaller pages, can be viewed (or listened to) by more > people with more types of hardware and software, etc. And it doesn't > make the pages "ugly".
So you believe that all those people writing books and articles about accessibility, compatibility and style, all of their bad experiences are from Israeli sites. Yeah, right. Israelies didn't the schisms in browser world. On one of the translators lists I read (one where nothing is off-topic) I've seen similar complaints about sites in other countries that are supposed to provide services. Just to pull one out of my sleeve, while writing this email I googled and found this interview: http://www.webbuilderconferences.com/interview_holzschlag.asp where he says, among other things: "If you have one of today's browsers, it can read and interpret most of that HTML without a problem. But other types of agents have difficulty interpreting it. There's also the issue of accessability: the problems for folks with disabilities because of the overbearing use of nonstandard markup" I doubt he uses any of the Israeli sites you complain about. > > I attribute what is happening to most Israeli websites to the "dawinim" > attitude of Israeli web-builders and companies. They think that if their > site doesn't use *ALL* the *LATEST* "advances" in web technology - flash, > java, movies, music, javascript, etc. - then they were swindled out of > their money. This is absolutely wrong, however. It is wrong, but there is nothing particularly Israeli about this attitude. > > In fact, I think it's a complete farce that these companies (and some > people on this list) say that it would cost them more money to support > Linux. Ah? It will cost them *less* money if they stopped using all these > crazy non-standard features that don't add anything for the users. This is a completely different discussion. I happen to agree with you on this particular point. > -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
