On Thursday 26 December 2002 23:24, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Uri Bruck wrote about "Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client": > > > 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over- > > > complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers; > > > > What makes you think this "typical Israeli"? > > Do you have a different experience with your off-shore bank account? > > I'm not talking about back accounts, I'm talking about web sites. > > Ever stopped and think why you can't do anything on Orange's site without > Flash? Why HaifaU's site cannot be used (at least when I checked a year > ago) without a browser that supports tons of IE-specific stuff? I've already mentioned Netvision site's IE-only broadband subscription part. And this is an ISP that officially proclaims supporting Linux connections, and they even keep Linux support people ( try catching one, though :-( ) > > If you ever looked at the evolution of my sendsms code, you'd have noticed > how the the SMS-sending sites become more complicated as the time passes, > without actually getting more features in the process. "Why does the neighbor use it and not us? We are not friars!!!!" > > At the same time look at Amazon. Look at Google. Look at CNN. At Yahoo. Amazon - Linux. Google - Linux. Yahoo - FreeBSD. CNN - Linux. www.bll.co.il - Windows 2000. Make your conclusions. > All these sites try (don't always succeed, but at least try) to use the > *minimal* number of crazy non-standard features of their page. This has > a lot of benefits: smaller pages, can be viewed (or listened to) by more > people with more types of hardware and software, etc. And it doesn't > make the pages "ugly". > > I attribute what is happening to most Israeli websites to the "dawinim" > attitude of Israeli web-builders and companies. They think that if their > site doesn't use *ALL* the *LATEST* "advances" in web technology - flash, > java, movies, music, javascript, etc. - then they were swindled out of > their money. This is absolutely wrong, however. And don't forget that Israeli business is almost totally Microsoft's dominion. Largely due to Hebrew support of Office and to convenient groupware features of Outlook. > > In fact, I think it's a complete farce that these companies (and some > people on this list) say that it would cost them more money to support > Linux. Ah? It will cost them *less* money if they stopped using all these > crazy non-standard features that don't add anything for the users. Once more - FOR THEM, features they use ARE THE STANDARD. And Windows 2000 they use to run their servers IS THE STANDARD. That's what they are taught. I've recently had a possibility to look at the syllabus of "Computer communications" course taught by Tel-Aviv college. A bit of Netware and a lot of Windows 2000. UNIX is not even mentioned. Do you think people that graduate off such courses would even think of cross-platform, supporting Linux in their networks, interoperability and such? NO. > > I have used Leumi's site for more than a year now. Do you think I ever > said to myself "Oh, I wish the login process to this site had more > animation?" Or "I wish the site played Mozart's Requiem while showing me my > balance?" Or "Too bad these links don't flash when the mouse moves over > them?" Of course not. No bank-account owner really cares about these > things. The site creators just imagine people want those things, spend > thousands on doing them in the *wrong* way (by using IE-specific stuff) and Once more, for them it is THE RIGHT WAY, even more - it is THE ONLY WAY. They just don't know of any other way. > then wake up one day with 10% of the users being unable to use their site - > and then they start to complain how much it would cost them to fix what > they should have done right to begin with... I don't believe they ever start to complain. 90% of the users is such overhauling majority that they may easily tell this 10 % to shut up and to use Windows "like all normal people".
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