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On Saturday 12 October 2002 21:41, you wrote:
> Hi List,
> I tend to concur with Oded,
>
> The first problem is that Linux advocates usually do not understand just
> how unusable and inappropriate Linux is for the average person, which
> leads to the second problem, that there is no Linux distribution that
> works out-of-the-box like Windows does. This isn't a problem of dumb
> users, it's a design flaw in current Linux distributions.

I beg to differ. I willing to wager that 90% of windows users NEVER install 
their operating systems. Either the sys admin at the company they are at does 
it or the guy who sold them their computer (or some support guy once it gets 
broken) does it for them. Comparing windows ease of install with Linux is 
flawed since only professionals install windows (either sellers of computers 
or sys admins at companies) while we expect the average user to install Linux 
(since the system came pre installed with windows and there is a very small 
number of professionals who will do that work for you for pay and people do 
not usually want to pay for "trying the new system out").

Actually Linux works much better "out of the box" than windows *** IF *** you 
compare two machine which come "scratched" (nothing on the hard drive). But 
since machines don't come that way it *** looks *** like windows is easier to 
install. It's actually a lot harder to install and a lot messier (it takes at 
*** least *** several hours and a lot of know how to put the basic things on 
top of windows which comes pretty stipped down while Linux installation is 
rarely more than an hour or so and comes fully loaded).

Please Please do not confuse ease of installation of something which people 
rarely install on their own (windows) with something that users are *** 
required *** to install if they want to use (Linux)....
 
Cheers,
        mark.
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