Should cars follow the same rational? Are these laws discretionary?
------ Sara Mattes > On Sep 18, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Peter Speert <pspe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you, John, for your response and link, explaining the reason for bikes > not to stop at stop signs if there is no other traffic approaching the > intersection. The Weston Road/ Silver Hill intersection is a good example of > one where there is a clear view of all approaching vehicles. If none are > visible, there would seem to be no safety reason for the cyclist to come to a > full stop. > > Peter Speert > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 18, 2022, at 7:42 PM, John Mendelson <johntmendel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> The whole "cyclists never stop at stop signs is a big red herring" and is >> just a lazy response to the much bigger (literally bigger, as many of the >> new EV's, not to mention the best selling vehicle in the US, the Ford F150, >> have and will continue to result in even greater increases in weight and >> speed, the two biggest factors in crash severity and morbidity outcomes) >> issues we all face as road users. >> >> There is also a lot of data as to why cyclists should NOT have to stop at >> stop signs. >> >> https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/idaho-stop-colorado-yield/ >> <https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/idaho-stop-colorado-yield/> >> >> And yes, my post was snarky. If there is sun in your eyes and you can't see >> what is in front of you when you are driving, the thing to do is to pull >> over until the conditions permit you to resume driving again. It is that >> simple. >> >> John >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022, 7:05 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com >> <mailto:samat...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Amen! >> I am regularly traveling along Weston Rd. and have NEVER seen a cyclist stop >> at the STOP signs at the intersection of Silver Hill and Weston…or, at >> Conant Rd., for that matter. >> They fly through the corners! >> This is extremely dangerous. >> >> I am NOT speeding or checking my phone (that comment was so snarky) and feel >> that both I and the cyclists are in danger. >> We ALL need to be safe and we ALL must be responsible. >> >> Sara >> ------ >> Sara Mattes >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2022, at 3:16 PM, Carol Bickford via Lincoln >>> <lincoln@lincolntalk.org <mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> wrote: >>> >>> All good reminders! Car drivers and cyclist, please obey STOP signs >>> especially on corners where leaves will soon be piling up and are slick >>> when wet. That is a recipe for disaster. >>> Thank you, >>> Carol >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 18, 2022, at 1:54 PM, John Mendelson <johntmendel...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:johntmendel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh and I forgot one thing. It is generally a good idea to drive sober. >>>> As a cyclist, the number of times I am passed by a car with the smell of >>>> marijuana emanating from the vehicle along with bottles of empty Fireball >>>> strewn along our roadways is just a bit unnerving. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022, 1:50 PM John Mendelson <johntmendel...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:johntmendel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Yes and drivers, please consider driving the speed limit and getting off >>>> your phone this time of year. It is especially dangerous to have sun in >>>> your eyes while speeding and checking Instagram! >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022, 1:47 PM V Saleme <bmwkbi...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:bmwkbi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Very good points and we bicyclists runners and car owners ask that those >>>> with cars routinely clean the interior and exterior of their windshields- >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 1:26 PM <c...@comcast.net >>>> <mailto:c...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>> Dear Lincoln Bike Riders and Walkers - Please be aware that this time of >>>> year (and in the Spring) as the sun becomes lower in the horizon, those of >>>> us who drive cars must become especially careful. Why? Because the sun >>>> and its reflections blind us as to what is ahead and along side on the >>>> road. >>>> >>>> Please wear reflective clothing and put reflective devices on your bikes. >>>> Take extra care as you ride and walk - and we drivers, will also. >>>> Thanks - >>>> Diane C. >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >>>> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >>>> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >>>> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >>>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >>> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >>> >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >
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