On 30 May 2001, Kristin M. Fitzsimmons wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2001 07:47:09 +1200 (NZST) Penguina
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The other problem with frats we saw at Cornell was date
> > rape, gang rape and drug rape (since that's what getting
> > a girl so drunk that she can't defend herself IS).
> > Schools at which the greek system HAS been abolished,
> > e.g. Princeton and Harvard, have far higher academic
> > performance out of both students and faculty...and a far
> > lower incidence of rape committed on campus.
>
> I would like numbers supporting that Princeton and Harvard
> have higher academic performance and lower date rape
> incidences than Dartmouth, if you're going to attack my
> college. And faculty? Excuse me? I would certainly like to
> see proof of that!
Ever hear the phrase, "Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and *perhaps*
Cornell"? Dartmouth doesn't even figure into it. And sorry,
you were saying that the faculty should be responsible for
keeping track of when frat parties were, so they could hold
pop quizzes the next day. That's not academics, that's
babysitting.
And sorry, I've been a postdoc or grad student, visiting faculty or
faculty mentor at several of the schools mentioned, and it
was pretty clear from reading the on-campus rag, going to womens'
groups meetings, talking to the administration, faculty and students
that there is a very clear connection between the Greek system and
date rape/gang rape/drug rape -- particularly the latter. It's far
worse at Big-10 schools, as is sexual harassment in general.
I would never send any daughter of *mine* to UIUC or Cornell
or Dartmouth. If not Radcliffe (Bunting Institute Fellow '93)
then The University of Chicago (MSc '83, Ph.D. 90). I'm
certainly an alumna of enough schools to pick one where she'll be
safe, and my undergraduate alma mater is not one of those.
If she wants to go to a big coed jock school and get a lethal
dose of PTSS, she can pay for it herself.
> And on the subject of academic performance, I will have you
> know that a recent Dartmouth report pegged the average
> Greek-affiliated student's GPA as significantly _higher_
> than the campus average.
Do you actually KNOW any frat guys? Don't you know that they
keep old exams and homeworks on file at Frats? Of course their
GPA is higher--that's because they CHEAT. I've seen them DO it.
> > And I'd sooner hire a Princeton, Harvard or Radcliffe
> > grad than a Cornell or Dartmouth grad as a result, even
> > though Cornell is my alma mater.
> That would be your loss. If I were an employer, I think I
> would examine candidate's abilities before I looked at where
> they went to school.
Yah, and the only thing the Greek system adds to a candidates
abilities is an insensitivity to rape victims, extreme misogyny
and (ahem) a proclivity to surf for porn rather than doing their
job. This is all based on personal observation.
But you know what? I'm entitled to my prejudices on that point.
If it were race, gender, religion, no. But what Frat or Sorority
they were in, yeah, I'm entitled to my prejudices.
Dekes: no, Fiji: definitely not,
Telluride: yes, Acacia: yes.
DU: you gotta be kidding.
Not as a primary criterion, but if I were faced with two candidates
with virtually indistinguishable capabilities, I'd go for the
Princeton grad before the Cornell grad, and I'd go for the Telluride
geek before having anything to do with a Deke. At least I'd know that
their grades meant something.
Look, they'd do the same for you, and probably have--more than once.
Penguina
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