On Thu, 31 May 2001 05:56:53 +1200 (NZST) Penguina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> > And of course, I sometimes wonder if I just think our 
> > system is basically  okay because it's what I've been 
> > taught since I was just a wee tot. So,  thanks for the 
> > outside input, James. It really does help.             
>                                      --Kai MacTane
> 
> Um, help what?  Help build a culture of lazy surfing 
> children who think the world owes them a living because 
> they know how to operate a browser and a word 
> processor--oh, and really think they know computers 
> because they've installed Linux somewhere?  We've 
> already GOT that.  Sheesh.

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe the above
comments were actually thanking James for his comments on
the US system as a whole (re: Second Amendment rights, and
some other things he mentioned), as it's easy as a US
citizen educated in US public schools to just think that the
US is always right, and it's nice to have someone outside of
the US say that the US system is pretty cool. I'm not sure
how the cool bits about the US system have contributed to
"lazy surfing children who think the world owes them a
living..."

> If you want to protect your "privacy" to surf for porn 
> during business hours, go out and build your own 
> business, and then get back to us... if you still think 
> it's such a great idea.
> 

I'm completely not understanding here. If your employees are
not getting their work done on time, or if their work is
sloppy, or if they generally are not doing their job well
(all of which should be effects of viewing too much porn,
spending too much time writing illicit emails, playing
quake, etc.), can't they be disciplined, or even fired? Why
is it necessary to monitor their activity if it's possible
to protect your company's interests in other ways? 

<personal rant, feel free to ignore...>
This is quite similar to an argument that the profs here at
Dartmouth use against the Greek system. Frats, they say,
contribute to an anti-academic culture, and result in
drunken students in class, or students simply not going to
class on days after big parties, or after house meeting.
This is, they say, an argument why the Greek system should
be abolished. Of course, if the profs were doing their jobs,
classes would be hard enough to ensure that no one could get
through 4 years at Dartmouth if s/he showed up to class
drunk/high on a regular basis, and morning quizzes given
after big party nights would surely force students to come
to class. 
</personal rant>

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