JoAnne Abbott wrote:
>
> On Thus June 29 kelly replied;
>
> >Standards are the straitjacket of innovation!!!!!
>
> The problem isn't standards per se but rather a combination of
> unthinking adherence to past standards and excessively slow
> standards-making bodies.
>
> I disagree that standards are not at fault.
>
> I agree that Standards bodys are unthinking and excessively slow.
> They are Commitees.
you've never been to an IETF meeting, have you?
they aren't commitees. they're roving flamewars. :)
> Well-documented industry standards increase
> competition, lower consumer costs, increase quality, and accelerate
> innovation.
>
> I agree with everything but the last two words.
>
> I am not concerned with "me too-ism" it does all the stated points
> except innovation.
>
> The clarity button on my word processor seems broken but I'll try.
>
> The web and internet is composed of a bunch of protocols.
> These are not standards but the agreement that if I send this
> I mean xyz and I expect abc back.
um.
they /ARE/ standards.
IETF /RFCs/. hello? anyone? bueller?
no offense, but you obviously know jack shit about how the net actually
works.
ipv4 is a protocol, but it is also a standard. tcp works by /standards/,
including which-port-does-what. it's not always a stringently enforced
standard -- which is why the internet is so damn insecure. if you /had/
stringent enforcement of the tcp port standards (among other things), so
that, for example, smtp packets /ONLY/ were sent to port 25, things
would be much harder to crack. (actually, this is part of ipsec. which
is a standard). frame-relay encapsulation, which i know for a fact is
used on /at least/ half of the dedicated lines on the net, is a
/STANDARD/. bgp is a standard.
IETF creates /standards/. ARIN (when it isn't busy being the IP SS),
creates /standards/.
look at the OSI seven-layer network model sometime. if you absolutely
refuse to aknowledge that most common internet protocols are in fact
standards, take a look somewhere lower down on the seven layer burrito.
frame-relay, sonet, ATM, etc, etc, are standards, maintained by various
bodies.
MAC addresses on network equipment, types of cable and how they are
terminated, the type of copper wire that carry data lines -- it's all
based on standards. E1 vs T1, anyone?
i know that "RTFM" is apparently the TLA O' Doom around here (TOD!), but
sheesh. this whole
internet-as-a-free-wheeling-bastion-of-chaos-that-just-magically-works
bullshit has /GOT/ to /GO/.
and if you don't believe me, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask. :)
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