Hi Rick,
You said: "... for more than 30 years. ..."
OS/390 was release in late 1995.
Did you get an early copy?

Regards,
David

On 2025-01-21 12:23, Rick Troth wrote:
rambling and thinking-out-loud follows


On 1/21/25 11:12 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 21:19:46 -0500, Rick Troth wrote:
    ...
So the next trick will be to figure out how to run it from TSO without
having to get into a shell.
    ...
That feels like trying "to figure out how to run ISPF from shell
without having to get into TSO."  (Which I have on occasion wanted.)
Or  trying "to figure out how to visit the Louvre without having to
go to France."


But see Willy Jensen's response, which I take to be typical of a lot of MVS people. Personally, I'm happy in the shell, but I have heard bitching and moaning about it from both MVS people and VM people for more than 30 years. Really want to make things easier for that segment of our community. And I get it: yet another learning curve. That sucks.

Likely XFL will have a supplemental program 'pipetso' which, when compiled, will provide exactly that, a TSO command so that TSO users can run an XFL "pipe" without having to launched a USS shell. Another SMOP.
Methinks a GitHub "issue" is warranted.

It might not even be needed. The current 'pipe' command in XFL already has to un-do the command line tokenization done by the shell so that the pipeline can be processed as a single string. That part would be skipped, for starters. Maybe someone can show me how to make the executable visible to TSO.


*https://github.com/trothtech/xfl/*


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