"self modifying code" is that not AI? Or am I getting that confused with Colossus, The Forbin Project?
"Confidentially doc, I am the wabbit." Bugs Bunny Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Monday, November 11th, 2024 at 2:18 PM, Dave Gibney <000006fb76de82cb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Yes, I see I misread his statement > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 11:04 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: What is a "programming language"? Was:: Modifying JCL on the > > fly > > > > "So, unless it support the generally considered poor practice of self > > modifying > > code at runtime, it's not a programming language?" is totally unrelated to > > anything he wrote. > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU on > > behalf of Dave Gibney <000006fb76de82cb-dmarc- > > requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 1:45 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: What is a "programming language"? Was:: Modifying JCL on the > > fly > > > > Caution: This email did not originate from George Mason’s mail system. Do > > not > > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > > content is safe. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > > Behalf Of Phil Smith III > > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 10:42 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: What is a "programming language"? Was:: Modifying JCL on the > > > fly > > > > > > Joel Ewing wrote, in part, on the original thread: > > > > > > > There are many such solutions to get around the fact that JCL is not a > > > > programming language and is static at execution time. > > > > So, unless it support the generally considered poor practice of self > > modifying > > code at runtime, it's not a programming language? > > > > > So (and yes, I realize that's an AND): is "static at execution time" a > > > disqualifier > > > in the Am I A Programming Language sweepstakes? > > > > > > While this is academic, I'm actually seriously interested in this. And of > > > course > > > maybe it's unanswerable in any meaningful, definitive way! > > > > > > Almost makes me wish I had a CS degree. OK, not really. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > > Behalf Of Bob Bridges > > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 1:27 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: What is a "programming language"? Was:: Modifying JCL on the > > > fly > > > > > > I've thought about this question ("can JCL be considered a programming > > > language?") for some years. I usually include it in my list of languages, > > > but I > > > almost always add "sort of". Still, during my most recent job interview, > > > my > > > potential boss definitely agreed with me: It counts. > > > > > > So did it count only after it had IF statements? But no, the COND parm > > > qualifies as a sort of IF, doesn't it? > > > > > > JCL is very much like PC-DOS' batch language, which originally was just a > > > scripting tool ("run this program, now run this program..."); I think we > > > mostly > > > call .bat a "language" too. Not sure what if anything that proves. > > > > > > --- > > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > > > /* ....The Christian is in a different position from other people who are > > > trying > > > to > > > be good. They hope, by being good, to please God if there is one, or — if > > > they > > > think there is not — at least they hope to deserve approval from good men. > > > But the Christian....does not think God will love us because we are good, > > > but > > > that God will make us good because He loves us.... -from What Christians > > > Believe by C S Lewis */ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > > Behalf Of Phil Smith III > > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2024 19:16 > > > > > > First, I'm not disagreeing with you here. But this does make me wonder one > > > more time, as I have in the past: "Just what IS required for something to > > > be a > > > 'programming language'"? > > > > > > Does it have to have loops? Variables? A compiler (I'd say "no, or various > > > scripting languages might not qualify", and I don't think anyone would buy > > > that)? Does HTML qualify? It has the L-word but that doesn't prove > > > anything. > > > Etc. I know people who think JCL does count. Can we prove them right or > > > wrong by some objective definition? > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > --- Radoslaw Skorupka wrote, in part: > > > > > > > JCL is not a programming language. > > > > JCL "piece of code" is called job, not program. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > > email to > > > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > > email to > > > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
