To complement: MS-DOS .bat had both conditional logic (errorlevel) and loop (for) I can't remember dates, but AFAIR conditional logic was introduced with MS-DOS v6.00 and probably the loop already was there. For sure I was using the loops and conditionals on Win95. Does it qualify as MS-DOS? Actually I don't care. ;-)

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W dniu 12.11.2024 o 15:33, Rick Troth pisze:
MS-DOS batch does have conditional logic.

I was going to chime in that a "programming language" must have at least that: conditional logic. Phil initially asked if looping is required, but conditional logic along with branching quickly gives us looping.

IT MAY BE that to qualify as a "scripting language" does not require conditional logic. Until this thought, I would have considered any scripting language to also be a "programming language". As it is, all scripting languages that I know of (including CLIST) are also programming languages.


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On 11/11/24 2:13 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:
I don't remember either, but I do remember that Relay had "Beyond .bat", a .bat-like language that did a lot more, used for Relay/Gold emulator scripting. That suggests that it was pretty weak. Doesn't mean anything you said isn't right, of course. (And I'm NOT sorry that I don't remember those details--best forgotten!)

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My recollection is that BAT had conditional logic since the original PC-DOS; I don't recall what it was like in CP/M. CLIST, OTOH, became a programming language in OS/VS3 3.8,  as I recall. I may check bitsavers on that last.


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