"So, unless it support the generally considered poor practice of self modifying code at runtime, it's not a programming language?" is totally unrelated to anything he wrote.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Dave Gibney <000006fb76de82cb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 1:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What is a "programming language"? Was:: Modifying JCL on the fly Caution: This email did not originate from George Mason’s mail system. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Phil Smith III > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 10:42 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: What is a "programming language"? Was:: Modifying JCL on the > fly > > Joel Ewing wrote, in part, on the original thread: > > There are many such solutions to get around the fact that JCL is not a > >programming language and is static at execution time. So, unless it support the generally considered poor practice of self modifying code at runtime, it's not a programming language? > > So (and yes, I realize that's an AND): is "static at execution time" a > disqualifier > in the Am I A Programming Language sweepstakes? > > While this is academic, I'm actually seriously interested in this. And of > course > maybe it's unanswerable in any meaningful, definitive way! > > Almost makes me wish I had a CS degree. OK, not really. > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 1:27 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: What is a "programming language"? Was:: Modifying JCL on the > fly > > I've thought about this question ("can JCL be considered a programming > language?") for some years. I usually include it in my list of languages, > but I > almost always add "sort of". Still, during my most recent job interview, my > potential boss definitely agreed with me: It counts. > > So did it count only after it had IF statements? But no, the COND parm > qualifies as a sort of IF, doesn't it? > > JCL is very much like PC-DOS' batch language, which originally was just a > scripting tool ("run this program, now run this program..."); I think we > mostly > call .bat a "language" too. Not sure what if anything that proves. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* ....The Christian is in a different position from other people who are > trying to > be good. They hope, by being good, to please God if there is one, or — if > they > think there is not — at least they hope to deserve approval from good men. > But the Christian....does not think God will love us because we are good, but > that God will make us good because He loves us.... -from _What Christians > Believe_ by C S Lewis */ > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Phil Smith III > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2024 19:16 > > First, I'm not disagreeing with you here. But this does make me wonder one > more time, as I have in the past: "Just what IS required for something to be a > 'programming language'"? > > Does it have to have loops? Variables? A compiler (I'd say "no, or various > scripting languages might not qualify", and I don't think anyone would buy > that)? Does HTML qualify? It has the L-word but that doesn't prove anything. > Etc. I know people who think JCL does count. Can we prove them right or > wrong by some objective definition? > > Thoughts? > > --- Radoslaw Skorupka wrote, in part: > >JCL is *not* a programming language. > >JCL "piece of code" is called job, not program. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
