Perhaps we've put the cart before the horse. Define and then transition to a standard environment and then provide the tooling to manage it. Trying to do it the other way around has taken years and too much stress. The transition won't be easy but if there is a benefit it will happen - migration tools can then be created to take the installations current implementation and standardize it.
The *challenge* will be making sure that installations with special requirements, including ISV products, can be easily accommodated. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 10:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: zOSMF So how come my kids can install apps and updates to their Windows and Mac machines, and I can work with Linux with no formal training? For example, I don't need to hunt down SYS3.MY2013.PARMLIB(PROG46), I look in /etc and parms are in standard directories. Even my Android (while annoying) updates itself from time to time. z/OSMF isn't the cure though. System standardization might be, but that would still include IBM dictating how things are done. We accept that on the other platforms and it seems to solve a lot of problems. On 5/30/2023 7:24 AM, Shaffer, Terri wrote: > I have to disagree. > > First lets talk about the migration guide and how many products an average > customer runs for a z/OS upgrade? > Then how many of the hundreds of actions does any one customer need to > actually perform? > Then, I know many customers, who may apply one RSU once per year and just add > 1-2 PTF for break fix, why would I ever want IBM to supply libraries past an > RSU level? > > One stop shopping doesn’t allow the flexibility the mainframe has always > provided, IBM should not dictate how I setup my shop. > > Lastly, isn’t the actual issue, no-one takes any initiative to learn anymore. > > Use the analogy of back in the 80's, how much with IOGENs and everything else > IBM has done over the years to simplify the system programmers tasks. > > But now they want GUI/Clicky and removed the interface from the mainframe. > Sorry but I have seen too many lockouts for this to work effectively.... > > > Ms Terri E Shaffer > Senior Systems Engineer, > z/OS Support: > ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter > H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) > terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 10:11 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: zOSMF > > EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the > content is safe. > > > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:04 AM Colin Paice <colinpai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> People feel that z/OSMF is not meeting their needs. Looking at the >> positive side....If we wanted to get future z/OS newbies up to speed >> very quickly (1 >> month) What should IBM and us users be doing? >> >> 1. Making better use of existing tools? Eclipse ? >> 2. Simplify the installation process (perhaps download the CST level of >> code including SMP/E libraries - so we users do not need to use SMP/E - >> just copy the libraries?) >> 3. Simplify the configuration? (How many configuration parameters are no >> longer needed and could just be set to "default") >> 4. Drive everything from off-platform through Curl? >> 5. Setting up Racf definitions for a new product can be challenging ... >> how can we simplify this - for example products should provide members of >> the definitions. It is easier to delete unwanted lines - than type in >> definitions. >> 6. .... >> >> Is there anything easy we/IBM could do to move in the right direction? >> >> Colin >> > Examine the current system, > create a script to set the equivalent values for z/OSMF? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ________________________________ > [https://go.aciworldwide.com/rs/030-ROK-804/images/aci-footer.jpg] > <http://www.aciworldwide.com> This email message and any attachments may > contain confidential, proprietary or non-public information. The information > is intended solely for the designated recipient(s). If an addressing or > transmission error has misdirected this email, please notify the sender > immediately and destroy this email. 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